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Princeton Economist: Obama Campaign Is Misrepresenting My Study on Romney's Tax Plan

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RenoCon said:
Yea, its not really about raising government revenues anyway. It will all be spent trying keep the new elites in power while they dole out breadcrumbs to their "temporary" servants. The real goal is to punish those darn rich people that make us so envious.
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Punish? By raising their Taxes to what they paid under Bush's first year? 39%?

Reupblicans sure can't do the math. 39% of $250,000 and above is a LOT more take home than 28% on $25,000. Sides, Romney wants to end taxes for people who just close businesses, take their pension plans, and do not actually have an income from it, just "capital gains".
 
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TurtleDude said:
your existence is not a just claim on the wealth of others. when people get stuff they don't have to pay for they keep demanding more and more. and one day the wealthy won't have any more wealth to be looted and the dependent addicts will revolt

and after that, there wont be as many dependent mouths to feed or as many people who are able to feed them

Golden Geese have wings and if they are plucked too hard they tend to fly away
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How much more money do you think the rich get on their investment portfolios because the government gives the oil companies subsidies? Because the government uses their defense contractors for all their DOD budgets?

You sure have a screwy idea about government assistance.
 
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TurtleDude said:
If you actually did some research you would find that such confiscatory rates only applied to a very small group rather than several million that you want to loot. and the loopholes and deductions were far higher.

Your posts are obviously based on some sort of irrational hatred of people who do better than you do-sound economic reasoning has no relationship to your silly rants
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What about their looting of the deficit by paying republicans to get them tax cuts?
 
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Muddy Creek said:
I haven't been proven wrong. I showed proof of my position. That's being factually correct.
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Your whole position hinges on whether Obama made his statement, as The Weekly Standard reported. I have shown that he did. Therefore, this isn't some kind of "republican campaign tactic to smear the President", to use your words. No...in fact, this is the result of Obama, himself, spinning a Professor's study to achieve his own ends. And he got caught.

Sucks to be Obama, eh?
 
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Mycroft said:
Your whole position hinges on whether Obama made his statement, as The Weekly Standard reported. I have shown that he did. Therefore, this isn't some kind of "republican campaign tactic to smear the President", to use your words. No...in fact, this is the result of Obama, himself, spinning a Professor's study to achieve his own ends. And he got caught.

Sucks to be Obama, eh?
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The Weekly Standard alleged an email they never produced. I never trusted the carnie alley at carnivals. I saw it was rigged with showing things that did not exist. Apparently, you're a carnie alley kinda guy, willing to believe in the existence of an email never shown.
 
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Muddy Creek said:
The Weekly Standard alleged an email they never produced. I never trusted the carnie alley at carnivals. I saw it was rigged with showing things that did not exist. Apparently, you're a carnie alley kinda guy, willing to believe in the existence of an email never shown.
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Dude...I GAVE you the link to Obama's statement. Did you even read it? Your strawman got slapped down and you won't admit it. Don't you find that a bit pathetic?
 
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274ina said:
Ask the people in 1944 that had 94% taxes.......the rich did not leave, every one was fine........

Then look at 50's 60 's 70's......all high taxes......
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Because the rich didnt pay 94% of their income in taxes. Tax rates are paid on certain income brackets, so that 94% was only on income above 200k (about 2.5 million today). All of their income below 2.5 million was a lower rate, so their MARGINAL rate was less than 40%. Once you add in all the deductions of the time, it was even less.

Additionally, what the next 60 years shows is that no matter what the rates are set at, the govt takes in about the same amount of revenue, 18% of GDP.
 
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Mycroft said:
Dude...I GAVE you the link to Obama's statement. Did you even read it? Your strawman got slapped down and you won't admit it. Don't you find that a bit pathetic?
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Only link I see is the Weekly Standard article that doesn't reveal the email.
 
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Muddy Creek said:
This is a comment on Romney's tax plan...NOT Harvey Rosen, as your Weekly Standard talked about.

Apples and oranges don't make for a good discussion.

Explain yourself.
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Good Lord!!! Dude...do you REALLY need me to hold your hand and walk you through this whole thing??!!

sigh...okay, have it your way:

From The Weekly Standard article:

"Even the studies that Romney has cited to claim his plan adds up still show he would need to raise middle-class taxes," said the Obama campaign press release. "In fact, Harvard economist Martin Feldstein and Princeton economist Harvey Rosen both concede that paying for Romney’s tax cuts would require large tax increases on families making between $100,000 and $200,000."
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From Obama's website:

Even the studies that Romney has cited to claim his plan adds up still show he would need to raise middle class taxes. In fact, Harvard economist Martin Feldstein and Princeton economist Harvey Rosen both concede that paying for Romney’s tax cuts would require large tax increases on families making between $100,000 and $200,000.
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And now, Professor Rosen has called out Obama for "misrepresenting his paper on Romney's tax plan".

Them's the facts, dude.
 
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Last night, the Obama campaign blasted out another email claiming that Mitt Romney's tax plan would either require raising taxes on the middle class or blowing a hole in the deficit. "Even the studies that Romney has cited to claim his plan adds up still show he would need to raise middle-class taxes," said the Obama campaign press release. "In fact, Harvard economist Martin Feldstein and Princeton economist Harvey Rosen both concede that paying for Romney’s tax cuts would require large tax increases on families making between $100,000 and $200,000."
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The email is where?

YOur second article shows the President talking WHERE?
 
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Muddy Creek said:
The email is where?

YOur second article shows the President talking WHERE?
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LOL!!! You are getting desperate...I can tell.

Look, when the Obama campaign releases a statement, as they did on their website, they also send out emails to their subscribers. THAT is the email The Weekly Standard was referring to.

Everything on Obama's campaign website are his words. He owns them. Are you seriously contending that Obama doesn't support what is presented on Barack Obama ???
 
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Mycroft said:
LOL!!! You are getting desperate...I can tell.

Look, when the Obama campaign releases a statement, as they did on their website, they also send out emails to their subscribers. THAT is the email The Weekly Standard was referring to.

Everything on Obama's campaign website are his words. He owns them. Are you seriously contending that Obama doesn't support what is presented on Barack Obama ???
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I'm not desperate but you sure are not answering my question. Where's the email?
 
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274ina said:
You have to include the puppets of the rich in the $200k to $10 mil area.

Over $200k makes $3.125 T per year. Taxed 80% fixes USA.

Its perfectly reasonable for them to take 80% of the revenue from my work.........
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So basically you want to place an artificial limit on the amount of income an individual can make at 200k, essentially telling people that the "American dream" of sorts is "capped" at that point. After such a point that one becomes successful enough to be earning more than 200k a year, they no longer have the freedom to work for their own profit but rather are forced by government to work for everyone else, as every $1 worth of work they do provides $0.8 to the government and only $0.2 to themselves. You wish to find a way for the government to essentially limit ones "Persuit of happinesss" once that individuals income hits a point YOU simply deem to be beyond what a person should be allowed to freely earn. While I would disagree, I could at least understand and not find reprehensible an argument that they should be taxed at a 49% rate over 200k. At least in that instance, a majority of their income that they earn through their work is still going to them rather than the government. But the moment you forcibly tell a man that he is no longer working primarily for himself, but is working for the Government essentially by providing hte majority of his income that he earns at that point to Government, then you enter into territory that I personally find morally reprehensable. No individual deserves more of the profits of an individuals labor than that individual themselves, unless that individual chooses on his own uncoerced volition to forgo those profits.
 
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Muddy Creek said:
I'm not desperate but you sure are not answering my question. Where's the email?
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Now...after your failed accusation that The Weekly Standard is lying and engaged in some plot to make Obama look bad...all you are left with is "Where is the email?".

Really, dude...your credibility has sunk below my acceptance level.

You are dismissed.
 
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Mycroft said:
Now...after your failed accusation that The Weekly Standard is lying and engaged in some plot to make Obama look bad...all you are left with is "Where is the email?".

Really, dude...your credibility has sunk below my acceptance level.

You are dismissed.
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Your whole argument is based on this "email" from Obama you believe magically exists because of the right wing slanted Weekly Standard assertion is shows up negatively for Obama.

I may be dismissed by you, but you failed miserably, IMHO, to defend your opinion
 
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Muddy Creek said:
Your whole argument is based on this "email" from Obama you believe magically exists because of the right wing slanted Weekly Standard assertion is shows up negatively for Obama.

I may be dismissed by you, but you failed miserably, IMHO, to defend your opinion
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You have already proven that you don't read all that's presented to you...and the part you DO read you misunderstand, so I'm not surprised that you missed the part where The Weekly Standard refers to both the Obama press release AND an email they received from Obama...both of which say the same thing. Now, I understand your reluctance to actually consider that Obama ****ed up, but your myopic focus on this "email" is ridiculous.

In actuality, I HAVEN'T defended my opinion...because you haven't disputed my opinion. You've only refused to admit that the topic that generated my opinion exists. Kind of like...I can have an opinion that the sky is blue because of the way the sun's rays refract through the atmosphere and you deny that there is a sky.

Anyway, dude...you are going to have to come up with something new to get another response from me.
 
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Mycroft said:
You have already proven that you don't read all that's presented to you...and the part you DO read you misunderstand, so I'm not surprised that you missed the part where The Weekly Standard refers to both the Obama press release AND an email they received from Obama...both of which say the same thing. Now, I understand your reluctance to actually consider that Obama ****ed up, but your myopic focus on this "email" is ridiculous.

In actuality, I HAVEN'T defended my opinion...because you haven't disputed my opinion. You've only refused to admit that the topic that generated my opinion exists. Kind of like...I can have an opinion that the sky is blue because of the way the sun's rays refract through the atmosphere and you deny that there is a sky.

Anyway, dude...you are going to have to come up with something new to get another response from me.
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No, I proved that about you. YOu quote from the article some "email" which is the crux of your argument. You fail to produce any said email, despite my numerous requests.

THEN you show a second source proving the President lied...which contained all the false tax information from Romney and NO quotes from the president..not even mentioning the president.

Projectionism is a great, albeit old and worn out tactic from the right. YOU failed to present any validity in this topic. And then you rant some sour grapes back to me.
 
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Muddy Creek said:
No, I proved that about you. YOu quote from the article some "email" which is the crux of your argument. You fail to produce any said email, despite my numerous requests.

THEN you show a second source proving the President lied...which contained all the false tax information from Romney and NO quotes from the president..not even mentioning the president.

Projectionism is a great, albeit old and worn out tactic from the right. YOU failed to present any validity in this topic. And then you rant some sour grapes back to me.
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<yawn>

Nothing new, I see.
 
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Mycroft said:
<yawn>

Nothing new, I see.
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Guess the realization of your title of this thread

": Princeton Economist: Obama Campaign Is Misrepresenting My Study on Romney's Tax Plan

and the lack of support for the statement is something I can readily expect from you then? This is nothing new from you?
 
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Muddy Creek said:
Guess the realization of your title of this thread

": Princeton Economist: Obama Campaign Is Misrepresenting My Study on Romney's Tax Plan

and the lack of support for the statement is something I can readily expect from you then? This is nothing new from you?
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yawn..........
 
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Wow.

I'm still voting for Obama, but these true believers are insane. You got Haymarket and Muddy Waters doing anything to shut their eyes and ears and ignore the truth, and 274ina with some truly crazy ideas. Just...wow.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
People b**** and moan, but don't actually do anything about it.
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So we wouldn't say fail to re-elect someone who broke a promise about no new taxes?
We wouldn't encourage our politicians to pander to us about how they will lower taxes?
There wouldn't be any political pressure to get politicians to pledge not to increase taxes?

I'm not buying the theory that the govt takes from us w/o reproach. ymmv
 
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