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Gun microstamping could close American factories

jamesrage said:
I have a feeling that the people trying to write these idiotic laws do have actual knowledge of guns. The point of this law is to make it more costly to purchase and or produce firearms, it is has nothing to do with stopping crime.
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I think that the person who introduced this law is genuinely interested in making it easier to solve crimes and make people safer. He just has no idea what he is doing. As an avid supporter of the Second Amendment, I know the value of it, but many people look at violent crime and they figure this would not happen if only the criminal did not have a gun or that regulation is the answer to a lot of problems. I know that is simplistic and used to justify a lot of stupid rules, but I do not see any reason to question their motives.
 
0bserver92 said:
One case you can make for this is that only intelligent and responsible gun owners would know that all they need to do is switch firing pin, do think your average gang member who is just given a gun would, probably not.
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Umm.. I think your average gangster is more used to subverting societies safe falls more so than your average non-gangster. They pass info like this around.
 
SMTA said:
No concerns here.
It is New York.
It has been tried before.
It will not be an issue.
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Doesn't New York have a firearms manufacture that sells firearms outside of NewYork?
 
We have the highest unemployment rate in the USA and we adore guns here. The biggest gun show in the world is held here and shooting ranges are a popular destination.

New York and California have these eerie kind of death wishes. Anything to make anything more complicated. So, yeah, we WANT those jobs.

I understand the "slippery slope": issue some other posters have here and I'm sympathetic. I'll just point out that any lawmaker can propose any law. There are gazillions of new laws proposed every 5 minutes. The job title of a politician is a LAWMAKER. Hopefully, the wacky proposals don't go anywhere.


apdst said:
Yeah, **** those people in New York.
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DrunkenAsparagus said:
I think that the person who introduced this law is genuinely interested in making it easier to solve crimes and make people safer. He just has no idea what he is doing.
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I am pretty sure they been told that firing pins can be easily changed out,micro-stamping wears out after firing so many rounds and that anyone with a file can remove the micro-stamping.

As an avid supporter of the Second Amendment, I know the value of it, but many people look at violent crime and they figure this would not happen if only the criminal did not have a gun or that regulation is the answer to a lot of problems. I know that is simplistic and used to justify a lot of stupid rules, but I do not see any reason to question their motives.
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The thing you have to remember about anti-2nd amendment loons is that they work in baby steps.They know damn well that criminals do not register firearms, apply for firearm licenses, or any abide by any other idiotic anti-2nd amendment law.
 
specklebang said:
We have the highest unemployment rate in the USA and we adore guns here. The biggest gun show in the world is held here and shooting ranges are a popular destination.

New York and California have these eerie kind of death wishes. Anything to make anything more complicated. So, yeah, we WANT those jobs.

I understand the "slippery slope": issue some other posters have here and I'm sympathetic. I'll just point out that any lawmaker can propose any law. There are gazillions of new laws proposed every 5 minutes. The job title of a politician is a LAWMAKER. Hopefully, the wacky proposals don't go anywhere.
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And, when lawmakers propose dumbass laws like this, it's the duty of the people to speak up, before those propositions become actual laws.
 
jamesrage said:
I am pretty sure they been told that firing pins can be easily changed out,micro-stamping wears out after firing so many rounds and that anyone with a file can remove the micro-stamping.
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I didn't say that they were smart.

jamesrage said:
The thing you have to remember about anti-2nd amendment loons is that they work in baby steps.They know damn well that criminals do not register firearms, apply for firearm licenses, or any abide by any other idiotic anti-2nd amendment law.
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Not everyone thinks that way. Some people actually think that enacting a few regulations would make people safer. They figure that the law would solve at least a few crimes. It probably won't, but I can see the logic of it.
 
jamesrage said:
I am pretty sure they been told that firing pins can be easily changed out,micro-stamping wears out after firing so many rounds and that anyone with a file can remove the micro-stamping. The thing you have to remember about anti-2nd amendment loons is that they work in baby steps.They know damn well that criminals do not register firearms, apply for firearm licenses, or any abide by any other idiotic anti-2nd amendment law.
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So, really, why do they do it? I agree it makes no sense so why do they bother? Where's the money?

apdst said:
And, when lawmakers propose dumbass laws like this, it's the duty of the people to speak up, before those propositions become actual laws.
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That's what we got DP for. We'll keep those dumbass politicians in line!:sword:
 
specklebang said:
So, really, why do they do it? I agree it makes no sense so why do they bother? Where's the money?
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Anti-2nd amendment loons work in baby steps.The goal is not to disarm the criminal.The goal is to disarm the law abiding citizen.
 
DrunkenAsparagus said:
I didn't say that they were smart.
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I don't think anyone has to be smart to see that micro-stamping won't do anything to reduce,stop or solve crime.

Not everyone thinks that way. Some people actually think that enacting a few regulations would make people safer. They figure that the law would solve at least a few crimes. It probably won't, but I can see the logic of it.
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There might be a few people at home and not in politics who genuinely believe that, but most likely those people rode the short bus to school or had their head bashed in thus making them 'special'.
 
While I hate the link and article lol I still think micro stamping is dumb, always did for the obvious reasons.
 
I live in an area of Florida that is currently low on jobs (kinda like the rest of the country). We have access to I-10, railroads, and aren't far from I-75. We are IN the South. Shipping is easy. Come build your factories here Remington. Not only would you be building in an area that purchases a lot of what you make, you would be manufacturing firearms in a pro-gun state that isn't run by union mobsters and police state lovers. We just get the dying leftovers, but they don't actually run the state.
 
I ask again - WHY? What's the benefit? Why would you only want criminals armed? There must be some reason.


jamesrage said:
Anti-2nd amendment loons work in baby steps.The goal is not to disarm the criminal.The goal is to disarm the law abiding citizen.
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jamesrage said:
I don't think anyone has to be smart to see that micro-stamping won't do anything to reduce,stop or solve crime.



There might be a few people at home and not in politics who genuinely believe that, but most likely those people rode the short bus to school or had their head bashed in thus making them 'special'.
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I've seen politicians advocate for far dumber laws.
 
0bserver92 said:
One case you can make for this is that only intelligent and responsible gun owners would know that all they need to do is switch firing pin, do think your average gang member who is just given a gun would, probably not.
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Gang members are anti social not completly stupid.
 
specklebang said:
I ask again - WHY? What's the benefit? Why would you only want criminals armed? There must be some reason.
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I dont exactly know why, but I do know this they are either devious or stupid. I dont know or care which.
 
Curiosity killed the cat
But satisfaction brought him back
:kitty:


PirateMk1 said:
I dont exactly know why, but I do know this they are either devious or stupid. I dont know or care which.
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specklebang said:
Curiosity killed the cat
But satisfaction brought him back
:kitty:
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I've heard the first part before, but not the second. Its pretty funny.
 
apdst said:
Government regulations killing jobs, once again.

Gun microstamping could close American factories « Hot Air
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What in the hell is the point of this? The problems with doing this, and how little it would really help with identifying guns, is insanely obvious even to the uninitiated. I mean, if everyone knows where it is... what is that, TD, a 5-minute job?

Why are we always trying to pass laws to "correct" problems that either don't exist, or won't be corrected by said laws?

New York has gone insane. No wonder all the reasonable New Yorkers are fleeing.
 
Goshin said:
The average gang member might not be overly educated or all that bright, but gangs include individuals with brains and know-how who would quickly figure out how to file off the microstamping, and spread that knowlege.

If they were total incompetents they wouldn't be so dangerous.
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Yes, they always have that one guy who is a specialist in guns, computers, explosives, electronics, etc.
 
jamesrage said:
What good would microstamping do regarding a criminal who was given a gun? Do you think despite the drug dealing, drive bys, and other criminal activity that gang member is going to register his firearm?
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Gun laws proposed by liberals are not intended to stop crime but to hassle gun owners. Liberal gun laws work only if Criminals start acting like honest citizens and honest citizens start acting like criminals
 
0bserver92 said:
One case you can make for this is that only intelligent and responsible gun owners would know that all they need to do is switch firing pin, do think your average gang member who is just given a gun would, probably not.
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How many gang bangers go out and legally by the guns they use in their inner city shootings?
 
specklebang said:
I ask again - WHY? What's the benefit? Why would you only want criminals armed? There must be some reason.
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The ultimate goal is the removal of ALL civilian firearm ownership. By removing the idea of a legal gun owner, it makes it much easier for the police to simply arrest anyone with a gun and thereby get that firearm off the street, until eventually (in their mind anyway) there are no nore guns in private hands at all.
 
0bserver92 said:
One case you can make for this is that only intelligent and responsible gun owners would know that all they need to do is switch firing pin, do think your average gang member who is just given a gun would, probably not.
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You DONT think the 'average criminal' is more up on ways to avoid police action than the average citizen? Ever worked with a prison population?

The simple fact of the matter is that the measures promoted are purely punitive to the manufacturer...NOT the criminal. Its another typical act designed to target legal guns and gun ownership while pretending to actually 'do' something about crime. It has zero impact on the criminal, but then, targeting criminals might be perceived as racist...so...cant have that.

If the gun factories in New York are smart they will give the governor the finger and move operations immediately and take every associated job with them.
 
specklebang said:
I ask again - WHY? What's the benefit?
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An unarmed population is a benefit to governments in general.It means the government can get away with anything and the population will be unable to physically oppose them.

Why would you only want criminals armed? There must be some reason.
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Armed criminals only make up a small minority of the population.
 
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