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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Sure they did. If wikileaks was actually interested in total transparency, they'd reveal their "insurance" documents- those that they've threatened to release if Assange were ever tried. But they're not, because they believe in secrecy to advance their own purposes. Just like the governments they wish to repudiate.
    They're not holding those documents because they believe in secrecy. They are holding them to try and keep Assaunge out of jail.
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Alot of the material in there actively degraded US efforts to stabilize chaotic regions of the world - to include source names. Oddly, some of the most active downloaders were located in Central Asia, and some of those sources started disappearing shortly thereafter.

    Mind you, we found some of them again. A piece here, a piece there....
    Again...proof?
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No he is not a rapist. The women that he supposedly "raped" consented. Even they did not want charges pressed. The prosecutor took it upon herself to press charges.
    I wasn't aware that the prosecution of crimes was left up to victims. Thanks for clearing that up.
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    I can tell your Army service wasn't in Intel. He didnt have the same access as the director of CIA. But he did have access to SIPR and apparently JWICS, as most in Intel, even an E-1, would. I have over a decade with DIA under my belt. cpwill sounds like he has an intel background. We know what we are talking about, man.
    So, what your sayinh is that there are no controls in place to protect this information and there is no such thing as "need to know"?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I got news for you. I served durng the vietnam/american war period 64-67,, honorable discharge, good conduct, spec 5, so I earned the right to live here and exercise my free speech. I have a better idea. Why don't you leave since you hate free speech.
    I don't hate free speech. I just hate one sided, political rhetoric - most of it developed by Noam Chomsky - passed off as meanignful political dialogue.
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Who's? And what if it was? What would be the significance of that?

    Are you implying that people should prize what's good for journalism over what's good for the federal government? Wouldn't that just be subjectively preferential?
    I don't think anyone is implying that. The first amendment says it pretty explicitly. The press is free. Always. (Okay, mostly always. But it's specifically free to do things like this.)

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Freedom of speech does not mean freedom to steal classified documents and publish classified materials that may impact national security. Manning should remain in jail.
    And yet you trust the government to be able to decide what is or is not classified without any oversight? That means you think that government should be able to suppress any information it likes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Stealing classified military information for the purpose of dissemination is the textbook definition of espionage.
    Actually, espionage requires that the information be obtained for the benefit of a foreign government. The same is true of treason. And this is why Manning and Assange are not spies. They did not act to benefit any foreign nation. The primary beneficiaries of WikiLeaks are the American people, to whom the American government is held more accountable than before. That's not aid and comfort to the enemy, or spying for a foreign power. That's aid and comfort to Americans, and investigative journalism on behalf of Americans. What Assange and Manning did is no different from Woodward and Bernstein, only without an obvious villain like Richard Nixon.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    people died because of that a--hole.
    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Alot of the material in there actively degraded US efforts to stabilize chaotic regions of the world - to include source names. Oddly, some of the most active downloaders were located in Central Asia, and some of those sources started disappearing shortly thereafter.

    Mind you, we found some of them again. A piece here, a piece there....
    That's quite a stretch. And certainly not compelling enough proof to convict someone of a crime.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Wikileaks didn't do a "half hearted attempt" at transparency. That's what they've been doing for longer than what they did with the US Docs. They've done the same thing with other countries also.
    Which I'm sure the US approved of when they were doing it to someone else.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No he is not a rapist. The women that he supposedly "raped" consented. Even they did not want charges pressed. The prosecutor took it upon herself to press charges.
    Plus the actual charge wasn't even rape. It's some special category of sexual offense that isn't even a crime in most countries, including this one. Every single American who calls Assange a rapist could go and do what he did here and not be breaking any Americans laws.
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    that;s what whisltes blowers do - they break laws and confidentiality agreements for HIGHER MORAL CAUSES

    What do you think should happen to the executioners in the helicopters who gunned down unarmed innocent Civilians?

    Did they break any laws?

    Who will be prosecuted for the 1.4 million Iraqi civilian deaths that were a direct and indirect result of ILLEGAL military actions by the USA?

    But as we all know, fascist rule doesnt recognise morals and laws does it mr OldWordlOrder?

    What do we do with the whistle blower Chemist who made authorities and the public aware of what the Tobacco corporations were putting into their cigarettes to accelerate the uptake and addiction to Nicotine?

    He had a non-disclosure agreement attached to his employment too.

    You seem to value one petty law that protects profits and criminals over higher morals and the general health and safety of the population who are unaware of what is going on.

    You do realise what that makes you dont you?

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    why does the number of dead Iraquis seem to increase dramatically the further left the poster is politically? Pretty soon it will turn out that we actually killed more people than live in Iraq.
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I don't think anyone is implying that. The first amendment says it pretty explicitly. The press is free. Always. (Okay, mostly always. But it's specifically free to do things like this.)



    And yet you trust the government to be able to decide what is or is not classified without any oversight? That means you think that government should be able to suppress any information it likes.



    Actually, espionage requires that the information be obtained for the benefit of a foreign government. The same is true of treason. And this is why Manning and Assange are not spies. They did not act to benefit any foreign nation. The primary beneficiaries of WikiLeaks are the American people, to whom the American government is held more accountable than before. That's not aid and comfort to the enemy, or spying for a foreign power. That's aid and comfort to Americans, and investigative journalism on behalf of Americans. What Assange and Manning did is no different from Woodward and Bernstein, only without an obvious villain like Richard Nixon.





    That's quite a stretch. And certainly not compelling enough proof to convict someone of a crime.



    Which I'm sure the US approved of when they were doing it to someone else.



    Plus the actual charge wasn't even rape. It's some special category of sexual offense that isn't even a crime in most countries, including this one. Every single American who calls Assange a rapist could go and do what he did here and not be breaking any Americans laws.
    I continue to be amused at the passion with which people defend Assange and Manning. Highly amusing.
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    Is there a thread in which you don't bring up "the Great Wurlitzer"? Have you ever considered admitting yourself to a mental hospital?
    Have you ever considered giving "thinking" a try?

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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Actually, espionage requires that the information be obtained for the benefit of a foreign government.
    Espionage is not limited to foreign governments. Bradley Manning illegally obtained information, he gave that information to a source, who disseminated the information publicly, which was of benefit to a hostile enemy force during a time of war.

    The same is true of treason.
    No it isn't. Treason is the act of of committing crimes against ones own country. espionage can fall under treason, but they are two entirely different crimes.

    And this is why Manning and Assange are not spies. They did not act to benefit any foreign nation.
    No, they benefited themselves, and by disseminating this information, they benefited our enemy during a time of war.

    The primary beneficiaries of WikiLeaks are the American people, to whom the American government is held more accountable than before. That's not aid and comfort to the enemy, or spying for a foreign power. That's aid and comfort to Americans, and investigative journalism on behalf of Americans. What Assange and Manning did is no different from Woodward and Bernstein, only without an obvious villain like Richard Nixon.
    That information contained a great deal of information about current and planned operations. That is a huge benefit to the Mujahadeen and the Taliban.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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