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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And if I unload an AK-47 into a nursery, but manage to hurt little to no children in the process, it doesn't change the fact that I wantonly unloaded rounds into a place with a reasonable notion that harm could come from it.

    We have a method for which people can be whistleblowers in this country...he chose to forgo that and steal an extremely large amount of data and provide it for all to see, including our enemies...potentially not just causing militaristic but also diplomatic damage. The fact it was not as bad as it could've been is only minorly relevant to the overall action.

    Please, tell me how unloading an AK-47 into a nursery and releasing diplomatic cables are in any way alike. #failanalogy
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Please, tell me how unloading an AK-47 into a nursery and releasing diplomatic cables are in any way alike. #failanalogy
    In both cases an individual is taking an illegal action that has a realistic expectation that harm could potentially come from it in some fashion, even if their intent isn't to harm OR even if the end result is no (or little) harm. Both are a case of someone breaking the law and acting in an irresponsable method that could potentially cause additional problems beyond the initial illegal action.

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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    In both cases an individual is taking an illegal action that has a realistic expectation that harm could potentially come from it in some fashion, even if their intent isn't to harm OR even if the end result is no (or little) harm. Both are a case of someone breaking the law and acting in an irresponsable method that could potentially cause additional problems beyond the initial illegal action.

    I disagree. Assange made an ass of the US gov't by once again showing, for the whole world to see, that the Classification system was being used to cover up embarrassments and faux paxs and in this case wanton, needless deaths. Thou shalt not make an ass of diplomats and politicians even if they make extraordinary attempts to demonstrate same. It is the TRUTH that has hurt in this matter and lots of hyperbole and rhetoric will never change that.

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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So it was ok for them to publish it right?
    No.



    What money? He's broke. Self gratification? Well now that could be used for anything that anyone does now can't it? Has it ever been valid to use? No. Known world wide? He already was.
    He's broke now that he got caught and has to spend that money, and the money of supporters to keep him out of prison. And Self Gratification does matter, he does this out of ideology and activism.



    You're "guessing"? Its been 2 years since all this went down and you have no evidene of even one person being killed due to these leaks?
    We got the literal police here. When the Taliban says they're reviewing the leaks to find the names of these informants so they can "punish" the informants who have been named, what do you think that means?
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    [QUOTE=Sherman123;1060968008]Whistleblowing generally implies that there is specific information or a specific issue you want to alert the public to by releasing information. Assange is not a whistle blower, he got his hands upon State Department communications cables in their hundreds of thousands and dumped them without making any effort to sift through them. He had no idea if people could be hurt, conflicts started or exacerbated, etc etc, because he didn't even really have a great idea of what was on them.



    Assange is a facilitator of whistleblowers. Because they all risk their jobs and lives by blowing the whistle, Assange and Wikileaks are merely the middlemen.

    In the main case, the actual whistleblower was Bradley Manning, who acted in the same role and was motivated by the same ideals as was Daniel Ellsberg with the Pentagon Papers. Once the congress finished its investigation of the Pentagon Papers, it found that the Pentagon had practiced "purposeful witholding and distortion of facts", behavior that it still practices today.

    Manning is a hero in every sense of the word, for he has revealed in their brutal details the crimes of government.

    Assange may be an arrogant man, but that does not make him wrong. He should be decorated.

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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Of course you realize that the Corporate Media is for sale to the highest bidder in a Capitalist/Corporate society. Print and digital media space is a commercial enterprise and you buy that space. The bigger and better the space, the more you pay. You could do your homework on the "Mighty Wurlitzer" and initiate some curiousity in the ol' cerebellum regarding some of that space being bought by Intelligence services, gov't, gov't agencies, contractors, etc., to massage those cranial interpretations as opposed to objectivity.
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    Manning betrayed his country's secrets with no thought for the consequences. He should be treated the same as other traitors. The fact that he's a hero to the Far Left is irrelevant.
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I disagree. Assange made an ass of the US gov't by once again showing, for the whole world to see, that the Classification system was being used to cover up embarrassments and faux paxs and in this case wanton, needless deaths. Thou shalt not make an ass of diplomats and politicians even if they make extraordinary attempts to demonstrate same. It is the TRUTH that has hurt in this matter and lots of hyperbole and rhetoric will never change that.
    Let me ask you, are all other countries above reproach, or do you just really hate the US?
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Why the hell should they free Manning? Dude is a traitor.
    If leaking an apache vid of the heli executing weaponless people after the ones with weapons have been killed = treason... ALL HAIL THE RED QUEEN. *presents neck for cutting*
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    No.
    So you believe in restricting the press?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    He's broke now that he got caught and has to spend that money, and the money of supporters to keep him out of prison. And Self Gratification does matter, he does this out of ideology and activism.
    He was broke before also. Thier website went down a couple of times before they released anything about the US due to lack of money.

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    We got the literal police here. When the Taliban says they're reviewing the leaks to find the names of these informants so they can "punish" the informants who have been named, what do you think that means?
    And yet in the two years since this happened there is still no proof that anyone was killed due to the leaks. Surely in two years they could have dug up a name by now and killed that person.
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