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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Video @: [/FONT][/COLOR]Assange Speaks to UN - YouTube

    Assange speaks to UN panel and calls on US, UK and Sweden and speaks to respect free speech, and protect whistle blowers, and to free Bradly Manning. Ecuador and others try to convince the US, UK, and Sweden to allow safe passage and go back to Sweden to try to clear up these "sexual acts" allegations.
    our military should have made that clown "disappear"

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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Well, TurtleDude, that's the whole other issue behind all of this: if the US wanted Assange gone, it would've made him go away. Waiting until he's in Sweden on flase charges to try to extradite him (although it would've been easier in the UK, but whatever) would obviously be shady and then would beg the question: why not just take care of him in an actual illicit way, that wouldn't have left a smoking gun in their hand?

    Assange conspiracy theorists can never answer that question. So they'll always pretend as if it doesn't exist. But it's important: there's really no motive for their to be a conspiracy to get him to the US.
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Well, TurtleDude, that's the whole other issue behind all of this: if the US wanted Assange gone, it would've made him go away. Waiting until he's in Sweden on flase charges to try to extradite him (although it would've been easier in the UK, but whatever) would obviously be shady and then would beg the question: why not just take care of him in an actual illicit way, that wouldn't have left a smoking gun in their hand?

    Assange conspiracy theorists can never answer that question. So they'll always pretend as if it doesn't exist. But it's important: there's really no motive for their to be a conspiracy to get him to the US.
    He should disappear with no trace of him every surfacing again. He contributed to some of our people being compromised

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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Again, they wouldn't deem it officially as a "cover-up". They would find a loop hole (which "interests of national security" is one HUGE loophole) to place it under.

    Tell you what...why was that video deemed classified? Explain it to me. It showed no tactical advantage. It showed nothing beyond the fact that civilians were killed.



    If the US government followed that mantra then I would agree with you. But the US government does not follow that mantra.



    Yes missing a target is a misdeed. But not one worthy of critisizing.

    The concept of war should be distasteful to anyone. Are you saying that you WANT war? That you are happy when we are at war?

    KalStang, you deserve a medal.. You have argued valiantly against ignorance, ingrained mental constipation, military style brain washing, believers, and just plain nonsense to no avail except to highlight the aforementioned atributes or shortcomings, depending on myopic lack of insight caused by conservatives not taking their mental laxatives. Nice job. Keep on truckin'.

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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    ...ignorance, ingrained mental constipation, military style brain washing, believers, and just plain nonsense to no avail except to highlight the aforementioned atributes or shortcomings, depending on myopic lack of insight... not taking their mental laxatives.
    Do you consider yourself a CTer?

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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Dude, it pretty much all pertains to position and strategy. that's what diplomacy is. warfare without shooting.
    What a particular person eats for lunch is not.
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Because it could be used to piece together a whole bunch of ****. In no order:

    #1- The distance the optics on the bird can see. If you know how fast an Apache can comfortably go (already online, probably thanks to people who think like you do), all you have to do is some high school math using the amount of time it took to complete an orbit to see how far away they were. Now you know: in 2006/2007, that's how far away a helicopter could be from a site to engage it. Do you think that's useful?
    Not really since those were known long before that video. Not to mention you couldn't tell from that video if they were at minimum range, medium range or long range before they started shooting. And if you think that other people, including terrorists, don't have that type of optical capability then you are seriously underestimating them.

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    #2- You can now start to piece together what birds look for and what process they go through to engage. You can start to avoid some practices or engage in others specifically to dissuade their attacking you while you engage in nefarious activities.
    lol yeah...camera men. As for the process...its the same process thats been used for decades. Again, you're underestimating your opponent. Always a bad move for any strategist.

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Sure it does. All governments do. And then they try to sell their populace on morality, and the moralists among us (you?) want to believe it. So some of you do.
    If this were true then people wouldn't continue to try and make more precision type weapons. They'd just go in there and use a nuke or napalm or some other mass destruction weapon....sure as hell would be cheaper in the long run to do so.

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    It depends on who you are. If you're supposed to be providing me overwatch and you miss repeatedly because of your own shortcomings, I'll feel okay criticizing you from my hospital bed.
    Sure, if you repeatedly miss then yeah, you deserve to be criticised. But just once or twice? Not exactly front page news wouldn't you say?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    I am, because I get paid more when I'm overseas. But you seem to have problems with the very fundamental aspects of war. Perhaps you should engage in some introspection.
    So you care more for money than not shooting people and mass destruction. Good to know. Think i'm going to start taking your posts far less seriously.
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Not really since those were known long before that video. Not to mention you couldn't tell from that video if they were at minimum range, medium range or long range before they started shooting. And if you think that other people, including terrorists, don't have that type of optical capability then you are seriously underestimating them.
    LOL what? You immediately knew a distance at which it was possible. Apparently, that's not important to you. Well, no ****: you aren't in the military. Who cares if other folks die.

    lol yeah...camera men. As for the process...its the same process thats been used for decades. Again, you're underestimating your opponent. Always a bad move for any strategist.
    Same process? You don't know it, clearly.

    If this were true then people wouldn't continue to try and make more precision type weapons. They'd just go in there and use a nuke or napalm or some other mass destruction weapon....sure as hell would be cheaper in the long run to do so.
    Uhhh...why? Precision weapons mitigate collateral damage and thus get less retards like you whining about it. That's a good thing. The morality behind it? Who cares?

    Sure, if you repeatedly miss then yeah, you deserve to be criticised. But just once or twice? Not exactly front page news wouldn't you say?
    No mistakes in a warzone are front page news.

    So you care more for money than not shooting people and mass destruction. Good to know. Think i'm going to start taking your posts far less seriously.
    You should take it more. Most policists are more about cost/benefit than someone random and subjective version of good v. evil. Dare I say all of them.

    Most everyone understands that mistakes happen in war, and innocents are killed, and don't march against war. Where are you?
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Do you consider yourself a CTer?

    I don't think so. I don't even watch or listen to Rash Limpdick. Apocalyptic visions and doomsday scenarios seem a part of the Republican platform and it's all caused by women's private parts and wellies. It's those poor people who wonder where their next gallon of gas is coming from that are driving us off that Carbon cliff. Don't you think? You needn't answer.

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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    It was admitted by the Pentagon that the info he allegedly released did little to no damage whatsoever.

    Edit: Added in "little to"
    And if I unload an AK-47 into a nursery, but manage to hurt little to no children in the process, it doesn't change the fact that I wantonly unloaded rounds into a place with a reasonable notion that harm could come from it.

    We have a method for which people can be whistleblowers in this country...he chose to forgo that and steal an extremely large amount of data and provide it for all to see, including our enemies...potentially not just causing militaristic but also diplomatic damage. The fact it was not as bad as it could've been is only minorly relevant to the overall action.

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