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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So you think refusing to use a condom is merely "douchebag", refusing to get tested after refusing to use a condom is merely "douchebag" and that the US should have apologized for a human shield used by rogue journalists (as if the US doesn't apologize profusely for collateral damage).
    There were no rogue journalists. Remember it was a camera that they were carrying. A mistake was made. Man up and apoligize for it. I don't care how often someone apologizes for other things not related to an event. You should always apologize for each and every single event. Not cover it up.

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    Do you not believe that ambassadors should have secure lines to their higher-ups in which to pass speculation?
    Relevence?
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Man up and apoligize for it.
    You think the US doesn't apologize for collateral damage?


    Relevence?
    He released such documents and caused trouble for US ambassadors around the world. Do you not know about that part of wikileaks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    He refused to use a condom and is under rape charges. The more obvious reason for refusing a test is that it complicates the rape charge.

    "Embarrassed"? Wow, could you be a bigger apologist.
    1: He refused to take the test LONG before any rape charges came about.

    2: Yes embarressed. It is very embarressing to get tested for STD's.
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You think the US doesn't apologize for collateral damage?
    They obviously didn't in this case. They classified the material remember?

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    He released such documents and caused trouble for US ambassadors around the world. Do you not know about that part of wikileaks?
    Yes I know about it. But again, whats that question got to do with what we are talking about?
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    They obviously didn't in this case. They classified the material remember?
    Any one of the many general apologies suffices.

    Yes I know about it. But again, whats that question got to do with what we are talking about?
    Do you think that part of wikileaks is legal or justified?

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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The New York Times has disseminated classified information before...should they be held for espionage also? Why/why not? (Note that I am NOT defending Manning, I believe that he is where he is suppose to be..and should be there for a long time. My question is mainly regarding the journalism aspect)
    The New York Times didn't steal their information directly from a military installation.




    How did Assaunge benefit himself?
    Money, self gratification through affirmation of his ideologies, his name being known world wide, etc. The guy is a megalomaniac, there's a lot to choose from.


    From what I have read and heard and understand the information regarded what happened in the past.
    A lot of information was given away, including the names of informants who were working for the Coalition Forces. I'm guessing they're all dead now.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    From your link....



    So what exactly constitutes "interests of National Security"?
    Did you see the multitudes of other documents referenced?

    I've already stated what they did that was wrong. Sorry if you can't accept that the right thing to do was to at the very least admit that wrong did happen. Even if that wrong was an accident it was still wrong. Or should we not have involuntary manslaughter charges in our legal system?
    Do you think warzones are like normal domestic situations?
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    what? no you didn't - you linked wikipedia, not a single controlling document for US Classification guides.

    here. DOD 5200.1. Executive Order 13526. Then perhaps you can tell us about your time as an original classification authority and your ability to speak to the legal review process. Enjoy.
    I see nothing in either of those links which helps you. Tell me...what does "(4) the original classification authority determines that the unauthorized disclosure of the information reasonably could be expected to result in damage to the national security, which includes defense against transnational terrorism, and the original classification authority is able to identify or describe the damage." mean exactly?

    Also what exactly about the aforementioned video falls under the guidelines that you all have provided?
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Did you see the multitudes of other documents referenced?
    Yes I did. What exactly constitutes "interests of National Security"?

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    Do you think warzones are like normal domestic situations?
    1: No.

    2: Irrelevent.
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    The New York Times didn't steal their information directly from a military installation.
    So it was ok for them to publish it right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Money, self gratification through affirmation of his ideologies, his name being known world wide, etc. The guy is a megalomaniac, there's a lot to choose from.
    What money? He's broke. Self gratification? Well now that could be used for anything that anyone does now can't it? Has it ever been valid to use? No. Known world wide? He already was.

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    A lot of information was given away, including the names of informants who were working for the Coalition Forces. I'm guessing they're all dead now.
    You're "guessing"? Its been 2 years since all this went down and you have no evidene of even one person being killed due to these leaks?
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