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    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    No, it doesn't. Point me to an EO, a USSID, an FM. Something on SOP, not Wikipedia dude.
    Whats the point? I gave you a valid source and now you're wanting more? Tell you what, why don't YOU link to those since you are asserting that I am wrong. See thats how debates work. One person makes a claim, provides evidence for it then the other person who disagree's provides evidence of them being wrong. Simply demanding different sources doesn't cut it.

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Umm..okay. I thought Manning was supposedly uncovering war crimes or some such. Now your position was that he was a "whistleblower" on some discourtesy or something? He was uncovering the US acting impolitely? That's worthy of "whistleblowing" now?
    Where did I say war crimes? Oh wait...I never did.
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I'm sure you won't mind proving that will you?
    controlled ("the survivor appears to be without emotion and acts as if 'nothing happened' and 'everything is fine'")
    Rape trauma syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Generally no, but if the woman continues with the sex act then no, it is not rape. Douchebag move, but not rape. Now if she had told him to stop and he didn't THAT would be rape. But there is nothing that indicates that she told him to stop.
    Do you have a transcript of all statements by the presumed victim?

    What does knowingly giving someone HIV have to do with this discussion? Can you prove that Assaunge has HIV? Can you prove that he knowingly has HIV and purposely had sex with these women to give them it? Lets stick with the facts shall we? Hyperbolic comments will get you no where.
    He refused to use a condom, and refused to be tested. The more reasonable explanation for refusing the test is that there is something to be found (which would complicate his refusal to use a condom), and not "just a douchebag".

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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Whats the point? I gave you a valid source and now you're wanting more? Tell you what, why don't YOU link to those since you are asserting that I am wrong. See thats how debates work. One person makes a claim, provides evidence for it then the other person who disagree's provides evidence of them being wrong. Simply demanding different sources doesn't cut it.
    That's not a source. Real people, who actually work in the community, use real sources. Hell, the military works the same way: you find the regulation, not a post on an internet forum, not something from wikipedia, not even something from your boss. You find the regulation. You didn't do that. Wikipedia is cool when it has links on the bottom to the relevant documents: that page didn't. Lots of classification guides are, by necessity, classified themselves. You can't say "all mention of Walter Payton playing for the Bears is Top Secret" because that gives away part of the thing. But the most basic and general documents are not.

    This might be a good start for you: http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/c...20001_vol1.pdf

    Where did I say war crimes? Oh wait...I never did.
    So whistlblowing on people being rude and mean? Do you think that's a valid excuse?
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    From your own link...

    According to Scarse[6] there is no "typical" response amongst rape victims. However, the U.S. Rape Abuse and Incest National Network[7] (RAINN) asserts that, in most cases, a rape survivor's acute stage can be classified as one of three responses: expressed ("He or she may appear agitated or hysterical, [and] may suffer from crying spells or anxiety attacks"); controlled ("the survivor appears to be without emotion and acts as if 'nothing happened' and 'everything is fine'"); or shock/disbelief ("the survivor reacts with a strong sense of disorientation. They may have difficulty concentrating, making decisions, or doing everyday tasks. They may also have poor recall of the assault"). Not all rape survivors show their emotions outwardly. Some may appear calm and unaffected by the assault.[2]
    Wanted to be sure we had the whole context there...

    "without emotion" is the key words there. The woman obviously was expressing emotion afterwards.

    Something else you seem to be forgetting is that the women still did not want Assaunge to be charged with anything. The only one wanting to charge Assaunge is the prosecutor. And if the women do not want Assaunge to be charged then they simply won't testify. Which means the prosecutor has nothing. Notta. Zilch. Why is the prosecutor pursueing this despite the fact that she knows that the women don't want to charge Assaunge with anything? What would be the point?
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Whats the point? I gave you a valid source and now you're wanting more?

    what? no you didn't - you linked wikipedia, not a single controlling document for US Classification guides.

    here. DOD 5200.1. Executive Order 13526. Then perhaps you can tell us about your time as an original classification authority and your ability to speak to the legal review process. Enjoy.

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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    That's not a source. Real people, who actually work in the community, use real sources. Hell, the military works the same way: you find the regulation, not a post on an internet forum, not something from wikipedia, not even something from your boss. You find the regulation. You didn't do that. Wikipedia is cool when it has links on the bottom to the relevant documents: that page didn't. Lots of classification guides are, by necessity, classified themselves. You can't say "all mention of Walter Payton playing for the Bears is Top Secret" because that gives away part of the thing. But the most basic and general documents are not.

    This might be a good start for you: http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/c...20001_vol1.pdf
    From your link....

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    9. CLASSIFICATION POLICY. Information shall be classified only when necessary in the
    interests of national security and shall be declassified as soon as is consistent with the
    requirements of national security.
    So what exactly constitutes "interests of National Security"?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    So whistlblowing on people being rude and mean? Do you think that's a valid excuse?
    I've already stated what they did that was wrong. Sorry if you can't accept that the right thing to do was to at the very least admit that wrong did happen. Even if that wrong was an accident it was still wrong. Or should we not have involuntary manslaughter charges in our legal system?
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Or should we not have involuntary manslaughter charges in our legal system?
    So you think refusing to use a condom is merely "douchebag", refusing to get tested after refusing to use a condom is merely "douchebag" and that the US should have apologized for a human shield used by rogue journalists (as if the US doesn't apologize profusely for collateral damage).

    Do you not believe that ambassadors should have secure lines to their higher-ups in which to pass speculation?

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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Do you have a transcript of all statements by the presumed victim?
    Transcript, no. Unlike Florida they're not releasing transcripts of testimonies. I do remember reading it in the news though.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    He refused to use a condom, and refused to be tested. The more reasonable explanation for refusing the test is that there is something to be found (which would complicate his refusal to use a condom), and not "just a douchebag".
    Actually the more reasonable explanation is that he just doesn't want to be tested because he probably feels that he is clean and that getting an STD test is too embarressing. Something that happens quite often.
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Actually the more reasonable explanation is that he just doesn't want to be tested because he probably feels that he is clean and that getting an STD test is too embarressing. Something that happens quite often.
    He refused to use a condom and is under rape charges. The more obvious reason for refusing a test is that it complicates the rape charge.

    "Embarrassed"? Wow, could you be a bigger apologist.

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