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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yes I knew about it. Doesn't take much to get things classified.
    "Cover up something wrong" doesn't qualify. Whether you like it or not.

    Not at the begining of the shooting which is when the firing started in the video that I saw.
    Maybe your video was only the second half of the whole thing.

    I'm not going to argue whether shooting them was the right or wrong thing to do. My arguement is that our government covered it up and swept it under the rug. No apologies, no restitution, nothing. Just swept it under the rug. And THAT is what was wrong.
    That's what happens in a war. People are killed. Are you gonna pay everyone? Why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Are you gonna pay everyone? Why?
    More like "how". Does he think we should give each of the 100k Iraqi civilians a million bucks? Fantasy world nonsense.

    The US provides restitution for egregious misconduct, not for collateral damage that was probably a human shield during a firefight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    There are many instances of victims suppressing trauma and behaving normally after. Her statements at a party do not necessarily impugn her allegation.
    If she had been "suppressing the trauma" then it never would have been brought up in conversation with the other woman. When someone suppresses something it takes coaxing to bring it out again. A casual conversation is not enough.

    Seriously, your grasping.

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    If a woman requests that someone uses a condom and they do not, that's rape. If they are HIV positive, it is attempted murder or murder (depending on transmission). Do you disagree?
    I don't think you actually know what rape is.

    It is also funny how you never even mentioned anything about HIV until I brought up the fact that the women just wanted Assaunge to get an STD test. And the way you have been posting that would have been stated also before I mentioned it. It makes me wonder just how much you actually knew about this case before I started to show you facts.
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    If she had been "suppressing the trauma" then it never would have been brought up in conversation with the other woman. When someone suppresses something it takes coaxing to bring it out again. A casual conversation is not enough.

    Seriously, your grasping.
    I'm not grasping. Suppressing trauma (acting normal) after a rape is common.


    I don't think you actually know what rape is.
    If a woman requests a man use a condom and he does not, you think that's ok?

    It is also funny how you never even mentioned anything about HIV until I brought up the fact that the women just wanted Assaunge to get an STD test. And the way you have been posting that would have been stated also before I mentioned it. It makes me wonder just how much you actually knew about this case before I started to show you facts.
    Knowingly giving someone HIV is ok in your book?

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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    It doesn't matter what's okay and what's not, or what's illegal in the US, the UK, or Australia. Only what rape is in Sweden.
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    "Cover up something wrong" doesn't qualify. Whether you like it or not.
    Actually, yes, it would qualify.

    Classified Information ~ Wiki

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    That's what happens in a war. People are killed. Are you gonna pay everyone? Why?
    What about an apology? That costs nothing more than to lose a bit of pride.
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What about an apology? That costs nothing more than to lose a bit of pride.
    I'm pretty sure Obama's got that covered.

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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    It doesn't matter what's okay and what's not, or what's illegal in the US, the UK, or Australia. Only what rape is in Sweden.
    I'm pretty sure that a woman requesting a condom and the man not doing so is the end of consent, in any (western) country.

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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Actually, yes, it would qualify.

    Classified Information ~ Wiki
    No, it doesn't. Point me to an EO, a USSID, an FM. Something on SOP, not Wikipedia dude.

    What about an apology? That costs nothing more than to lose a bit of pride.
    Umm..okay. I thought Manning was supposedly uncovering war crimes or some such. Now your position was that he was a "whistleblower" on some discourtesy or something? He was uncovering the US acting impolitely? That's worthy of "whistleblowing" now?
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'm not grasping. Suppressing trauma (acting normal) after a rape is common.
    I'm sure you won't mind proving that will you?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    If a woman requests a man use a condom and he does not, you think that's ok?
    Generally no, but if the woman continues with the sex act then no, it is not rape. Douchebag move, but not rape. Now if she had told him to stop and he didn't THAT would be rape. But there is nothing that indicates that she told him to stop.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Knowingly giving someone HIV is ok in your book?
    What does knowingly giving someone HIV have to do with this discussion? Can you prove that Assaunge has HIV? Can you prove that he knowingly has HIV and purposely had sex with these women to give them it? Lets stick with the facts shall we? Hyperbolic comments will get you no where.
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