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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    You cannot be a whistle blower if you have no idea what you are releasing. Manning handed over information on hundreds of thousands of documents that he never read. As I said before if this was only the Baghdad Airstrike, or specific and targeted documentary releases, he would be in a much better decision. His sympathy from the usual journalistic circles has been less than stellar precisely because he was so irresponsible and nondiscriminatory.

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    So anything that's classified is being 'covered up'?

    And yes, there was large equipment. It was the camera equipment that was believed to be an RPG.

    So, you're in a gunship responsible for the safety of the people on the ground. There was just an attack and you've yet to find out if any of your people on the ground had been killed. The area is cordoned off for safety. You see people with large equipment inside of it, peeking around corners and whatnot. You don't know that they're an unaccounted bunch of journalists looking for angles, because there's no reports of them being there. Do you allow them to setup that equipment, directed towards your fellow soldiers?
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No they were not carrying large equipment. It was some people that had had a flat and they were fixing it. There were children in that van. There was absolutely no evidence of any "equipment" large or small.

    And the cover up was that they had classified that footage and never released it.
    Was this the case that took place during a firefight and it appeared that the van was a resupply but it turned out that it was a human shield?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Ok. Not sure where I heard something about minors. I haven't followed his case much, mostly just the wikileaks themselves.
    I have been following it a bit more.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    BBC News - Timeline: sexual allegations against Assange in Sweden


    Don't you think that your statement above is a bit lacking?
    From your own link...

    The arrest warrant is withdrawn. "I don't think there is reason to suspect that he has committed rape," says one of Stockholm's chief prosecutors, Eva Finne.
    No I don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Was this the case that took place during a firefight and it appeared that the van was a resupply but it turned out that it was a human shield?
    No.

    Man I wish I could remember the name of it. :P
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No I don't.
    But after the charge was removed, it was re-established by a more specialized prosecutor. You don't think that's relavent to your statement that the charge was dropped?

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    So anything that's classified is being 'covered up'?
    That is often why things are classified.

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    And yes, there was large equipment. It was the camera equipment that was believed to be an RPG.

    So, you're in a gunship responsible for the safety of the people on the ground. There was just an attack and you've yet to find out if any of your people on the ground had been killed. The area is cordoned off for safety. You see people with large equipment inside of it, peeking around corners and whatnot. You don't know that they're an unaccounted bunch of journalists looking for angles, because there's no reports of them being there. Do you allow them to setup that equipment, directed towards your fellow soldiers?
    I'm pretty sure that we are thinking of different events. But regardless the right thing to have done was to admit that they made a mistake, apologize for it, perhaps give restitution to survivors and families. Not make it classified and bury it.
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    That is often why things are classified.
    Er..no.

    I'm pretty sure that we are thinking of different events. But regardless the right thing to have done was to admit that they made a mistake, apologize for it, perhaps give restitution to survivors and families. Not make it classified and bury it.
    I'm pretty sure we're talking about the same exact thing. Wikileaks called it Collateral Murder. Looks like a normal Apache engagement to me, but of course people with no experience would be shocked by it.

    Anyway, helicopter feeds are always at least Secret. So who gives a ****? Just release every time someone ****s up? Why? Cause you're curious.

    Now, you never did tell me what you'd do. I guess just not engage, and hope they didn't kill some of your comrades? You sound like you'd be great under pressure. I'd love to be in a sticky situation with you. "Hey guys! That could be a squirt gun! That other guy probably just has one of those collapsible prank knives! I won't shoot, I'm sure you guys will be fine."
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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    That's quite a stretch. And certainly not compelling enough proof to convict someone of a crime.
    the effects have nothing to do with the conviction - it is the espionage, not the results thereof, that is the crime. Manning will likely be found guilty and frankly I hope he is shot. Those who violate their oath in order to betray their country, not caring whom they put in danger in a time of war deserve no less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    But after the charge was removed, it was re-established by a more specialized prosecutor. You don't think that's relavent to your statement that the charge was dropped?
    The whole thing makes me suspicious. I mean come on, the guy is being charged with something that wouldn't have even seen the light of day here in the US given the facts involved. (posted them in Post #158)
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