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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    They're not holding those documents because they believe in secrecy. They are holding them to try and keep Assaunge out of jail.
    They're doing it for practical reasons relating to their self-interest. Just like governments do.

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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I was only talking about free speech precedents. Can you figure it out now?
    Can you figure out that free speech precedence has nothing to do with classified documents sent by ambassadors through secure channels?

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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I was only talking about free speech precedents. Can you figure it out now?
    Let's try to make this simple.

    Why are you against ambassadors being able to send classified documents up their chain (especially regarding speculation)?

    Do you think we should not have ambassadors? Or just that they should not be able to communicate securely with their higher-ups.

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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Let's try to make this simple.

    Why are you against ambassadors being able to send classified documents up their chain (especially regarding speculation)?

    Do you think we should not have ambassadors? Or just that they should not be able to communicate securely with their higher-ups.
    You're chasing a "red herring" as the argument is that the classification system is being use to cover up embarrassments and faux paxs. The 12 dead civilians from the helicopter assault should be sufficient proof of that. On the other hand, your subliminal cranial massage has been working successfully. You don't need to know. It's a need to know basis.

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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    You're chasing a "red herring"
    Says the CTer.

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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    why does the number of dead Iraquis seem to increase dramatically the further left the poster is politically? Pretty soon it will turn out that we actually killed more people than live in Iraq.
    According to the US defense department between 95,000 and 110,000 Iraqi civilians were killed between the initial US invasion in 2003 and 2009.

    But then again they also said there were WMDs in Iraq and that Saddam was linked with al qaeda and 9/11

    I prefer the analysis carried out by the same two expert analysts who determined the number of deaths Milosovic was responsible for. You know, the analysis that the US accepted and was used as key evidence in finding Milosovic guitly at the Hague.

    Funny how when the same two analysts are sent to Iraq to carry out an identical assessment, with an even larger sample size, the US questions the accuracy of the report. Funny that isnt it!

    Lets assume the US defence department is correct with an estimate of about 100,000 dead Iraqi civilains. Sounds like a crime against humanity to me? And remember, Saddam was tried and hung for the death of about 140 prisoners.

    This has to do with exposing war crimes and atrocoties - purely a moral and legal matter. Not a time to politically pollute the issue with your paranoic left right tribalism

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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Let's try to make this simple.

    Why are you against ambassadors being able to send classified documents up their chain (especially regarding speculation)?

    Do you think we should not have ambassadors? Or just that they should not be able to communicate securely with their higher-ups.
    Frankly, I don't give a dam what they do. I was talking about free speech and not cars.

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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Frankly, I don't give a dam what they do. I was talking about free speech and not cars.
    I'm talking about the classified documents, containing various speculations from ambassadors, being legitimate security - and Assange violated that.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 10-01-12 at 02:04 PM.

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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Whistleblowing generally implies that there is specific information or a specific issue you want to alert the public to by releasing information. Assange is not a whistle blower, he got his hands upon State Department communications cables in their hundreds of thousands and dumped them without making any effort to sift through them. He had no idea if people could be hurt, conflicts started or exacerbated, etc etc, because he didn't even really have a great idea of what was on them.

    Because let's be honest, there is nothing "Whistle Blowing" about dumping half a million documents from SIPRNet and JWICS.
    It's also not illegal.

    The real issue with Assange is that he embarassed some 'important' people.

    To the gallows with him!
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Assange Speaks to UN

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The real issue with Assange is that he embarassed some 'important' people.
    No, the real issue is that he compromised national security and interests to get his 15 minutes from CT people.

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