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    America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Letter, from a soldier to his father, as published at America

    Dad,

    I am fed up. I cannot believe the lack of attention the recent changes in this war is receiving by the media or the country. I think I saw one thing on CNN about the following subject, but I had to dig extensively to find it. The purpose of this letter is to let you know of the garbage that our soldiers are going through right now. With this knowledge, I hope that you take action by writing your congressmen.

    First, because of the recent green on blue incidents or "insider threats" as the new buzz phrase dictates, all coalition forces in Afghanistan have completely stopped partnering with the ANA, AUP, and ALP in order to prevent the death of anymore CF casualties by ANSF or Taliban disguised as them. This is also greatly spurred by President Karzi's indifferent attitude and lack of action to take measures to prevent further insider attacks.

    Second, because of this massive change in policy (and complete change in mission) all U.S. forces are forbidden to actively patrol their AO and are to remain on their respective COPs/FOBs. There are only a few exceptions to this rule and they all pertain to "hardening" highway 1 in our AO. We have received orders that clearly state that all CF will no longer be allowed to drop air to ground munitions within the country of Afghanistan. This preempts Karzi's announcement that will be made shortly that states the above mentioned order, making it a tactical directive that he is ordering.

    To the first point: Our mission in Afghanistan is to partner with the ANSF on all levels. Now the policy makers are telling us that we are not allowed to do that and further more we are to take immediate measures to secure ourselves from the ANSF that are co-located with us. So the question now becomes, what is our mission? Furthermore, the implication is that we have absolutely no reason to still be in this country if we are not partnering with the ANSF. So why are we here?

    To the second point: I don't think that the American citizens would be happy if they knew that their soldiers were being prohibited from defending themselves in any way because of politically driven orders, but that is precisely what is happening in this war right now even as I write this letter. The soldiers of the U.S. never engage the enemy unless we know that we have will always have the tactical advantage in defending ourselves, that advantage is the use of close air support and air weapons team. To take those weapons away from us is to level the playing field for the enemy and thus exposing our soldiers to more danger. In the school house they teach us that the minimum ratio that we are to engage the enemy with, is a 3:1 ratio. In other words, we have the highest probability of winning because we don’t fight fair. The sound tactical principles behind this teaching have saved lives. The very presence of aircraft over our foot patrols has also saved lives and now our chain of command is being told by our political leadership that this is now not allowed. If we are not partnering with the ANSF and we are not actively patrolling to prevent our enemies from massing their attacks on our COP and we can’t drop a bomb on the enemy that we have positively identified, than what the hell are we doing here?

    Give us a mission or send us home. I honestly have no preference on what the politicians decide, as long as they just make a decision. Of course this will be a terrible inconvenience on the current elections so I am sure we will be forgotten, which really does not seem to be too different for how things have been going for the last eleven years.

    Do not buy into what the some media outlets have already said about this. Casually saying that this is a frequent occurrence is false, and is an attempt to downplay the major ramifications for these decisions. We have never been so restricted in defending ourselves as we have now. This is not just a stand down. The other implication of this decision is that we will perhaps never regain our relationship with the ANA after we have executed these measures to protect ourselves from them. Essentially, we have left them to die as we watch from our high-tech cameras and UAVs. They will not forget this and I fear the relationship will never be the same.

    I love you very much Dad and I don’t want you to worry about me any more than you already are, but I also know that this has to be brought up, someone has to say something about this. It is wrong to keep this hidden away while American soldiers are under constant threat of death and dying. I don’t care if you send this letter directly, this needs to be known.

    Your son,

    [In Afghanistan]
    I think its sad that the media, the President, congress, americans, have forgotten Afghanistan. Recession, fiscal cliffs, unemployment, debt, kate middletons breasts, are far less important than american citizens who are fighting and dying in a war without a point, and whose commander makes jokes on comedy shows, while congress flips pancakes to win votes.

    Until we get responsible people in office, the best thing to do is immediate withdrawl. 343 Coalition soldiers have died in Afghanistan this year. No one seems to care but their families and friends.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    The War on Drugs is the dumbest war, by far.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Letter, from a soldier to his father, as published at America



    I think its sad that the media, the President, congress, americans, have forgotten Afghanistan. Recession, fiscal cliffs, unemployment, debt, kate middletons breasts, are far less important than american citizens who are fighting and dying in a war without a point, and whose commander makes jokes on comedy shows, while congress flips pancakes to win votes.

    Until we get responsible people in office, the best thing to do is immediate withdrawl. 343 Coalition soldiers have died in Afghanistan this year. No one seems to care but their families and friends.

    Seems like the "Mighty Wurlitzer" is crankin' along just fine. Nothing to see here, move along.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The War on Drugs is the dumbest war, by far.

    All wars are dumb, but very profitable.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Likes from Justabubba and Mr. Invisible? It's gonna be a strange day.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Letter, from a soldier to his father, as published at America



    I think its sad that the media, the President, congress, americans, have forgotten Afghanistan. Recession, fiscal cliffs, unemployment, debt, kate middletons breasts, are far less important than american citizens who are fighting and dying in a war without a point, and whose commander makes jokes on comedy shows, while congress flips pancakes to win votes.

    Until we get responsible people in office, the best thing to do is immediate withdrawl. 343 Coalition soldiers have died in Afghanistan this year. No one seems to care but their families and friends.
    Obama wants a repeat of Vietnam.
    TANSTAAFL

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    ― Robert A. Heinlein, Beyond This Horizon

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Obama wants a repeat of Vietnam.
    No, i think he just incompetent. No wisdom or experience in war, or being President. And congress is no better.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Obama wants a repeat of Vietnam.
    Yes thats what "Obama wants" (Hackery at its best here)


    But no this war was dumb a very long time ago. The last war that we got involved in that "wasnt dumb" would have to be WW2.


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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Obama wants a repeat of Vietnam.
    Mycroft Afganistan is not Obamas war Bush first sent troops over there. Yes he is keeping them there and that is not smart, but so did Nixon in nam.
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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    I agree that all wars are probably stupid but this one is really up there. We went over there with a club the size of Texas to look for an ant hill. We did not know the culture, language or the terrain. the soviets went to and look what happened to them.
    "Those who do not learn from history and condemned to relive it".

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