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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Why do you believe it is pretend? He as much told us that he spent his formative years surrounded by Marxists, Communists, socialists, Progressives, radicals, and terrorists. Those are the people he is most comfortable with. Their doctrines are his doctrines.
    So how do you know he chose to be a Marxist instead of a socialist or progressive?
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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

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    YOu are both wrong WWII was necessary.
    What are you talking about? I was referring to the conflict over the emerging Welfare state.
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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    And every mighty oak began as a small acorn.

    FDR did what he could to advance democratic socialism. He prolonged the Depression with his policies. And yet the dumb masses kept voging him back into office. It seems that the one term Marxist is hoping to replicate FDR's achievement. Of course he did need to significantly increase the welfare rolls, increase misery by bankrupting coal companies and therefore increasing the cost of energy, and then give his supporters stuff. Obamaphone anybody?
    Why should the U.S. lower/middle class subsidize the military industrial complex, national security state when the profits go primarily to multinationals and their stockholders, the 1%?

    The military industrial complex controls your CNN/FOX/NBC/CBS/ABC and the NYT, LATimes, Wash. Post., and the news wire services AP/Reuters found on Drudge and Huffington.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Aside from the fact that you have just strung a series of strange talking points into one thought, you do know you have just essentially implicated almost the entire Republican Party as complicit or advancing democratic socialism, don't you?
    Please consider using the quote function. It is not very good but it is better than nothing.

    Convince me that your points have merit.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    So how do you know he chose to be a Marxist instead of a socialist or progressive?
    This is a great question. Marxist fundamentals just naturally flow from Obama's nature. Steep, progressive taxes, class warfare, wealth redistribution, dictatorship of the proles (public and private sector unions) just come naturally to the one term Marxist.

    On the other hand there is so much overlap between socialism, Progressivism and Marxism that we do not need to label it as just one thing, other than for the sake of convenience. Do you prefer one term Marxist or one term Marxist, Communist, socialist, Progressive, radical, terrorist?

    Just checking. When everyone understands "Statist" we can switch to that. Of course it will have to all be retrospective because I do not intend to ever again speak of him after he is defeated in November.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Please consider using the quote function. It is not very good but it is better than nothing.

    Convince me that your points have merit.
    I won't always use the quote feature. You will just have to accept that. Nor will I always be willing to provide evidence to rather simple explanations of political or intellectual history.

    FDR wasn't a socialist, but believed in expanding the role of government and modifying the relationship of the individual to the government. Not going anywhere near as far as a socialist would, but enough to address maladies within the system. As a result of the New Deal and subsequent legislation, the brief illusion of socialism in America faded quickly (I point to "It Didn't Happen Here" and "Amerian Exceptionalism" by Seymour Martin Lipset). Furthermore, because the Republican Party has not fought FDR since the 1950s (see the Eisenhower administration), with Ronald Reagan reaffirming his belief that FDR was a good President (See his letters), and the entire Republican Party defending the Welfare state that Roosevelt, and in many instances, what LBJ put into place, your insinuation that FDR=socialist would automatically implicate their own political ideology.
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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Manservitis is playing devils advocate.

    Nobody could believe such BS.

    S__t, Hannity only says it because hes paid to.
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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I won't always use the quote feature. You will just have to accept that. Nor will I always be willing to provide evidence to rather simple explanations of political or intellectual history.
    Fair enough. In some cases I will just pass by your comments.

    FDR wasn't a socialist, but believed in expanding the role of government and modifying the relationship of the individual to the government.
    LOL. Okay, where I say democratic socialist I could have said socialist lite. And from your very next statement it appears we agree.

    Not going anywhere near as far as a socialist would, but enough to address maladies within the system. As a result of the New Deal and subsequent legislation, the brief illusion of socialism in America faded quickly (I point to "It Didn't Happen Here" and "Amerian Exceptionalism" by Seymour Martin Lipset).
    If it wasn't socialism and he wasn't socialist then why would his (non) socialist policies cause an anti-socialist backlash?

    Furthermore, because the Republican Party has not fought FDR since the 1950s (see the Eisenhower administration), with Ronald Reagan reaffirming his belief that FDR was a good President (See his letters), and the entire Republican Party defending the Welfare state that Roosevelt, and in many instances, what LBJ put into place, your insinuation that FDR=socialist would automatically implicate their own political ideology.
    Oh the unexamined life...

    Time gives one perspective. Not every fight need be fought by everybody at every time. Reagan defeated the Evil Empire before him and us. That was a very great achievement. It is up to us go roll back the socialism that FDR so successfully put into place. For that we have to change the hearts, first of the makers of wealth, and then as many as possible of the hearts of the takers of wealth.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Okay, where I say democratic socialist I could have said socialist lite. And from your very next statement it appears we agree.
    Liberal.

    If it wasn't socialism and he wasn't socialist then why would his (non) socialist policies cause an anti-socialist backlash?
    If you are presented with two polar opposite solutions, you might find people who go to the most acceptable course (which for many poorer people, immigrants, racial minorities, etc. was the Socialist inclination). By offering a third path, it ensured that the socialist claims of inevitable collapse/immorality of the capitalist system was not held to be true by most people. They liked what they got out of the liberal policies without having to step dramatically further into socialism. In essence, FDR modified the United States, which ensured that socialism's challenges would mostly fail.

    It's pretty simple.

    Not every fight need be fought by everybody at every time.
    You're giving your side a pass when they maintain the Welfare state. Their entire platform is the successful maintenance of the FDR/LBJ welfare state.

    Reagan defeated the Evil Empire before him and us. That was a very great achievement.
    Are you suggesting that the Soviet Union overruled his ability to focus on domestic social policy, when we know quite the opposite?


    It is up to us go roll back the socialism that FDR so successfully put into place. For that we have to change the hearts, first of the makers of wealth, and then as many as possible of the hearts of the takers of wealth.
    Spare us the platitudes. Delve into History instead.
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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Why do you believe it is pretend? He as much told us that he spent his formative years surrounded by Marxists, Communists, socialists, Progressives, radicals, and terrorists. Those are the people he is most comfortable with. Their doctrines are his doctrines.

    Every time you try to pretend to be clever the Internet chuckles at your expense. Chuckles.
    I was hoping it was pretend for your sake. It seems like you don't know what a Marxist is. Perhaps you should learn?
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