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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Your posts are very bad. Remember how this debate started? You claimed to know something had changed when Obama took office. Later, you admitted you don't really know. Just...sad.
    Actually, you claimed, from your starting point of near perfect knowledge that I didn't know. It is possible you don't recognize the difference.

    I claimed that the rules of engagement have become so restrictive under Obama that the troops cannot win. They cannot fight effectively. I use the tools I have, my interaction with our customer, to draw my conclusions.

    But you claim near perfect knowledge. Of course I had to laugh.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Joechilli View Post
    So minerals are the new reason to be there?
    Who is arguing that?

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Joechilli View Post
    Can anyone even put over a military strategy for winning?
    I'd like to hear one?
    Limited wars are fought with limited resources for limited goals. We need only deny Afghanistan as a safe haven for Al Qaeda and the Taliban. This is achievable.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Good news for a change! Thank you.

    Here's what has always bothered me: "On December 15, 1993, Secretary of Defense Les Aspin stepped down, taking much of the blame for his decision to refuse requests for tanks and armored vehicles in support of the mission."

    How could any American leader refuse to support our ground troops, choosing instead to let Americans die.
    I liked Les Aspin. Some believe his role in refusing to send in armored vehicles, including tanks, broke his heart and led to his death. The military requested the vehicles well before this battle. Aspin said no.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    The US Civil War was certainly one of the most stupid wars of all time.

    If the north compensated the southern slave owners for the financial loss of slaves I believe the other issues could have been certainly resolved through mediation diplomacy or a democratic process.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I liked Les Aspin. Some believe his role in refusing to send in armored vehicles, including tanks, broke his heart and led to his death. The military requested the vehicles well before this battle. Aspin said no.
    He did what Clinton told him to do. And then he resigned with the disaster. And died a haunted man.

    To his credit, he worked well across the aisle with Reagan. Clinton was no Reagan.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Squirm. Wriggle. Obfuscate. Repeat.

    Got it.
    10 more years of COIN operations before we even have a chance at a successful economy?

    Are you serious?
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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Actually, you claimed, from your starting point of near perfect knowledge that I didn't know. It is possible you don't recognize the difference.

    I claimed that the rules of engagement have become so restrictive under Obama that the troops cannot win. They cannot fight effectively. I use the tools I have, my interaction with our customer, to draw my conclusions.

    But you claim near perfect knowledge. Of course I had to laugh.
    These posts are horrific.
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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    These posts are horrific.
    Actually, he is correct. You are not debating very well. Seriously.
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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    He did what Clinton told him to do. And then he resigned with the disaster. And died a haunted man.

    To his credit, he worked well across the aisle with Reagan. Clinton was no Reagan.
    Thank the Lord that Clinton was no Reagan. Reagan did enough damage that has been with us for decades and continues to haunt us. Deregulation, union-busting, banking laws that made mega-banks into worse mega banks, leaving Lebanon in a shambles with Marines dead, etc.

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