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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Rules of Engagement?

    It's pretty apparent that the rules of Engagement since Clinton started going to places like Somalia, Bosnia and Haiti are that only American soldiers must die. The enemy must survive in far greater numbers.

    Maybe someone can state what the Muslim Rules of Engagement are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, we'll probably leave eventually, and the country will regress to chaos and be taken over by the Taliban or some similar group. Afterwards, self described "conservatives" will rant about how the "liberals" snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory, how we would have won had we just "stayed the course", and how we really won the war, just like they like to rant about the fall of Saigon.

    And, down the road, we'll invade yet another country to fight terrorism, or perhaps Communism, or some other ism and make the world safe for democracy.
    I agree with much of what you say but the comparison is not really the same. The USSR was bent on taking over the country and we are intent on breaking apart terrorist networks and installing a stable government. Well, the government aspect may or may not work but we certainly acheived the goal or disrupting terrorist networks. At what cost and for how long though...
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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

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    Rules of Engagement?

    It's pretty apparent that the rules of Engagement since Clinton started going to places like Somalia, Bosnia and Haiti are that only American soldiers must die. The enemy must survive in far greater numbers.

    Maybe someone can state what the Muslim Rules of Engagement are?
    In Somalia our Rangers and Delta kicked the **** out of thousands and thousands of the enemy... killing thousands while only losing 18 if I remember correctly. Rules of engagement worked in our favor there.

    It was Clinton running our troops home that motivated Bin Laden by his own account. He saw how we fled after losing some troops and he knew we didn't have the back bone that he did. This is there lives... war. We want peace. They want to fight. Not a good start for us.
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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    In Somalia our Rangers and Delta kicked the **** out of thousands and thousands of the enemy... killing thousands while only losing 18 if I remember correctly. Rules of engagement worked in our favor there..
    I would like very much for you to be correct, however I only recall reading the events that resulted in the Movie "Blackhawk Down."

    Can you provide a cite with regards to America killing "thousands and thousands of the enemy?"

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    In New Guinea, there are tribes who have wars simply because that's what they have always done. It's a way of life for them.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    I would like very much for you to be correct, however I only recall reading the events that resulted in the Movie "Blackhawk Down."

    Can you provide a cite with regards to America killing "thousands and thousands of the enemy?"
    I can do a further look but I found this:

    US sources estimate between 1,500 and 3,000 Somali casualties

    Battle of Mogadishu (1993) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    All wars are dumb, but very profitable.
    War removes more evil than any other method.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva;
    I can do a further look but I found this:
    US sources estimate between 1,500 and 3,000 Somali casualties Battle of Mogadishu (1993) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Good news for a change! Thank you.

    Here's what has always bothered me: "On December 15, 1993, Secretary of Defense Les Aspin stepped down, taking much of the blame for his decision to refuse requests for tanks and armored vehicles in support of the mission."

    How could any American leader refuse to support our ground troops, choosing instead to let Americans die.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Good news for a change! Thank you.

    Here's what has always bothered me: "On December 15, 1993, Secretary of Defense Les Aspin stepped down, taking much of the blame for his decision to refuse requests for tanks and armored vehicles in support of the mission."

    How could any American leader refuse to support our ground troops, choosing instead to let Americans die.
    Agreed. Even then the soldiers were asking for more body armor and were getting denied. There is a lot of lip service given to the military but I honestly don't believe most of our career politicans care one bit about the hard working men and women of the armed forces.
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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

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    That will take at least another decade to get going. The deposits the Soviets found decades ago is a pipe dream for short to medium term economic independence. And the American public does not have the stomach for another decade of occupation.
    Squirm. Wriggle. Obfuscate. Repeat.

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