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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    It is possible you were in Iraq and in Afghanistan multiple times between 2005 and today. I cannot tell. I can tell you that my company had people with the troops in about 50 locations in both countries steadily. They live and work with the troops. They tell me that we seldom engage unless we have been fired upon and can positively determine upon whom we should return fire.
    Yeah, that never changed.
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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You need not be an ideologue to be wrong. Clearly.
    You're a one month Royalist! (See, I can make stuff up too)
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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You could pay attention. Or maybe you cannot. The evidence is for the latter. Since you are sure the rules of engagement are unclassified and that you are completely sure they have not changed could you share them?

    Let me see what I find in a search. Rules of engagement Iraq Hmmm. Secret. Who woulda thunk it.

    Wikileaks has obtained the long kept secret Rules of Engagement (ROE) for U.S. troops in Iraq.
    Wikileaks has obtained the long kept secret Rules of Engagement (ROE) for U.S. troops in Iraq.

    Secret. Hmmm.
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/us...ng-war-crimes/
    Oh, so you don't know. That explains a lot.
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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Oh, so you don't know. That explains a lot.
    Weren't you the one who was sure the rules of engagement were not classified? Based on my twenty years in the Army I was sure they were. I just showed you they are secret. And you naturally responded that I don't know. Many of the people I work with are former military officers and senior NCOs. We can see the change even if we are not given access to the actual rules of engagement.

    Thanks for playing. On to the next thing.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

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    We have a policy of regime change. The one term Marxist will be defeated in another month. It is possible this election to have a regime change.

    He has committed crimes worthy of impeachment.
    You don't change the regime in this country without changing the Congress as well. Lots of luck with that one.

    As for Romney, he has a good chance, but isn't a whole lot different from his intended predecessor.
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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    I believe it has "only come to light" with left-wing wackos. Nearly everybody else understands that all major intelligence agencies believed the same things.
    rofl, theyre still telling lies to themselves about this???


    The senior intelligence official responsible for Tony Blair's notorious dossier on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction proposed using the document to mislead the public about the significance of Iraq's banned weapons.

    Sir John Scarlett, who as head of the Joint Intelligence Committee was placed "in charge" of writing the September 2002 dossier, sent a memo to Blair's foreign affairs adviser referring to "the benefit of obscuring the fact that in terms of WMD Iraq is not that exceptional".

    The memo, released under the Freedom of Information Act, has been described as one of the most significant documents on the dossier yet published.

    Memo reveals intelligence chief's bid to fuel fears of Iraqi WMDs | UK news | The Observer

    Despite warnings from the German Federal Intelligence Service questioning the authenticity of the claims, the US Government utilized them to build a rationale for military action in the lead up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, including in the 2003 State of the Union address, where President Bush said "we know that Iraq, in the late 1990s, had several mobile biological weapons labs

    Curveball's German intelligence handlers saw him as "crazy ... out of control", his friends called him a "congenital liar", and a US physician working for the Defense Department who travelled to Germany to take blood samples seeking to discover if Anthrax spores were present was stunned to find the defector had shown up for medical tests with a "blistering hangover",[19] and he "might be an alcoholic".[20]


    Curveball (informant) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Italy: We Warned U.S. On WMD Docs


    Italian secret services warned the United States in January 2003 that a dossier about a purported Iraq-Niger uranium deal were fake, an Italian lawmaker said Thursday after a briefing by an Italian intelligence chief.

    Italy: We Warned U.S. On WMD Docs - CBS News

    European and French intelligence reports

    French intelligence informed the United States a year before President Bush's State of the Union address that the allegation could not be supported with hard evidence.[9]

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Weren't you the one who was sure the rules of engagement were not classified? Based on my twenty years in the Army I was sure they were. I just showed you they are secret. And you naturally responded that I don't know. Many of the people I work with are former military officers and senior NCOs. We can see the change even if we are not given access to the actual rules of engagement.

    Thanks for playing. On to the next thing.
    Uhh..no, that wasn't me. I was the guy that asked you if you knew that any changed and you admitted that you didn't know and it was just a vibe you got. That's me. That guy. Hiiiii!

    I'm also the guy that rocks multiple SIPRnet accounts (because you know that every organization/location has their own account set up right?), so plain ol SECRET things aren't a huge obstacle. I've seen lots of ROEs. I've seen lots of them change. I've never seen or even heard of them changing because of Obama taking over, you half term Whig, and I'm glad you admitted you hadn't either. That's refreshing, thanks.
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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Left-wing media...people like you...hmmm.
    That must be it! Since the left wing are the one's that peddled the war in Iraq I can see why they would want to tie it to 9/11 which would whip Americans into war mode!
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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Probably 100 years, because the Global War On Terror is the best perpetual futility the Pentagon has ever discovered.

    I wonder if you have ever been a part of an army of occupation in a land and culture that does not like invading armies?

    I have. It's a fool's mission.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You don't change the regime in this country without changing the Congress as well. Lots of luck with that one.

    As for Romney, he has a good chance, but isn't a whole lot different from his intended predecessor.
    It is an excellent point. We will need to change the majority in the Senate from Democrat to Republican and retain the House.

    Thanks for the nice wish. If my luck holds we have a slim chance of retaining a nation that can once again return to prosperity with less danger of the loss of our liberty.

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