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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The terrorists were using the excuse of the U.S. being bent on killing muslims in a "crusade" to get new recruits. Bush's "answer" was to invade a muslim country and kill 100,000 muslims and we are surprised that Al Qaeda got lots more members? The invasion of Iraq helped the terrorists and Iran and did nothing to avenge 911, yet diehards still defend it?
    What is the relationship between the murder of nearly 3K Americans with our decision to have a regime change in Iraq? I apologize in advance for changing your quite. Your errors were irritating to me. RELAX, I just fixed your spelling!

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I guess the difference is, I'd give back the money to have my fallen comrades back.
    Yeah. That is true in every war. Those killed in battle never come back.

    I wish that we would never see a necessity for war. Yet I realize that there are things worth fighting for. There will always be bad/wrong people out there who want to take my stuff or take me. It is men (and sometimes women) weith weapons who stop them.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Saddam was not the guy we should have gone after, after 9/11.

    I think that trumps any reason given for attacking Saddam.
    Do you believe Al Qaeda's destruction of the Twin Towers, WTC 7 and a portion of the Pentagon is why we insisted on regime change?

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The right number of troops is zero. Drones will do a better job on terrorists than troops. We need to change tactics. Troops act as targets and recruiting agents for the enemy, they actually make things worse.
    Don't be stupid.

    The right number is not zero.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    And you proposal for Afghanistan is.....?

    The most successful COIN operation in history really isn't applicable here. I don't see how we can take the Malayian Pacification and take its lessons and use them in Afghanistan. To some degree you have to change the culture in Afghanistan towards moderate to liberal Islam for this to work. And that's just a starting point.

    I don't see how Afghanistan can work as a Democracy. Especially a very poor one.
    I cannot recall ever mentioning democracy. Democracy sucks. It is three wolves and two lambs voting on what is for dinner.

    I think we need to define our goal as preventing the Taliban and Al Qaeda from controlling Afghanistan. For the long term I think developing free market capitalism and representative government are a great idea.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The terrorists were using the excuse of the U.S. being bent on killing muslims in a "crusade" to get new recruits. Bush's "answer" was to invade a muslim country and kill 100,000 muslims and we are surpised that Alqeada got lots more members? The invasion of Iraq helped the terrorists and Iran and did nothing to avenge 911, yet diehards still defend it?

    Saddam said American dollars were no longer good enough to buy his oil.

    We had to send him and other mideast leaders a message.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    I asked, "How do you know that?

    Is Afghanistan a safe haven? Is there any price we should pay for safety?"

    To which you replied,

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Because I was there, and it's exceptionally obvious.
    Are you a high ranking officer? I suspect company grade at best. I also suspect enlisted but am willing to believe that there is not much difference between a mid-level NCO and junior officer.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    I wrote, "Do you love your country so little that you want her to be safe for only a little while? Why do you put a time limit on the security of the nation?"

    To which you replied,

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post

    This is the exact patriotic garbage that they tell you so that you continue to beat the war drum. There is nothing we're doing in afghanistan that is making us, in america a single bit safer. All we're doing is shedding american blood in vain. I love my fellow citizens, and I cherish their lives and safeties, not some ideal based solely on pride and not tangible facts.
    Okay.

    You do not believe that denying Afghanistan as a safe haven for terrorists has anything to do with the safety of American citizens and with the security of the United States.

    We disagree.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    9/11 Truther. Someone who believes lies? I understand.
    Someone who believes that the US attacked itself/supported 9/11 to go to war. And you want to argue progress or results of war? Nonsense.

    Is Rabid a Truther?

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    I wrote, "Defeatists will always be defeated. Afghanistan is not so important. If the Taliban and Al qaeda were not there then we would have no reason to be there either. We fight the enemy where he is. You should know that."

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    More with the BS pride instead of logic and reason. Please, try to quantify to me how us being in afghanistan makes us safer, and please, use citation.

    The taliban have never even waged terrorist attacks against us. Their sole goal in life is to get our asses off their soil. They can have that rotten property, the entire country smells of death.
    First, I do not accept that for anything to be relevant someone else must have written about it. It is sufficient that I write it.
    Second, the Taliban had the opportunity to turn over Bin Laden and other Al Qaeda members. They chose not to.
    Third, your sense of smell has nothing to do with keeping the US safe.

    I understand that you are bitter and angry. Your bitterness and anger should be focused on the one man who made our mission in Afghanistan into one of eventual failure--Barrack Hussein Obama. You deserved a better leader. We all do.

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