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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    The real connection is that 9/11 compelled American polcymakers to take a more proactive stance with regards to the Middle East. No longer was it deemed to be prudent to be passive regarding the prerevolutionary atmosphere of the region that promotes extremist iedologies.

    That's your real answer. Leftists don't like it because it justifies the concept of the invasion. Rightists don't like it because it ignores the moral/tribal aspect of America being "good".

    It's just simple pragmatic thinking.
    Sure perspective in regards to foreign policy shifted....9/11 compelled American policymakers (and American citizens) to take a more pro-active stance. I'm not arguing against that.

    The problem of course is what was a valid reason (to strip Saddam of WMD's and stop him from getting the nuke) was incorrect. Not only incorrect but based on reporting since the decision to invade, it's come to light that intelligence was cherry picked to prove the presence of WMD's. That's kind of a big deal and well beyond a change in stance in regards to foreign policy.

    You seem to strip the decision to go to war of basically everything of meaning in order to present Iraq as some natural flow of foreign policy. Some inevitable branch off of the 9/11 attack.
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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    The real connection is that 9/11 compelled American polcymakers to take a more proactive stance with regards to the Middle East. No longer was it deemed to be prudent to be passive regarding the prerevolutionary atmosphere of the region that promotes extremist iedologies.

    That's your real answer. Leftists don't like it because it justifies the concept of the invasion. Rightists don't like it because it ignores the moral/tribal aspect of America being "good".

    It's just simple pragmatic thinking.
    The terrorists were using the excuse of the U.S. being bent on killing muslims in a "crusade" to get new recruits. Bush's "answer" was to invade a muslim country and kill 100,000 muslims and we are surpised that Alqeada got lots more members? The invasion of Iraq helped the terrorists and Iran and did nothing to avenge 911, yet diehards still defend it?

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The terrorists were using the excuse of the U.S. being bent on killing muslims in a "crusade" to get new recruits. Bush's "answer" was to invade a muslim country and kill 100,000 muslims and we are surpised that Alqeada got lots more members? The invasion of Iraq helped the terrorists and Iran and did nothing to avenge 911, yet diehards still defend it?
    Die hards defend any war. Some of them are still defending Vietnam. It's the "my country right or wrong" philosophy that prevailed among the war supporters of the Vietnam era, and still does in the Iraq war era.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    ...what? In what world is someone okay with war the 'diehard'? You'd think the people vehemently against them would be more likely to be called such.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    ...what? In what world is someone okay with war the 'diehard'? You'd think the people vehemently against them would be more likely to be called such.
    A diehard is someone who refuses to give up no matter how wrong they are.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    And the more vehement the position, the more likely they are to be wrong.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    This is a great question. Marxist fundamentals just naturally flow from Obama's nature. Steep, progressive taxes, class warfare, wealth redistribution, dictatorship of the proles (public and private sector unions) just come naturally to the one term Marxist.
    Honest to God. You and Ecofarm with your Communist conspiracies!

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    How do you figure, that an Imperial President, Pentagon yes-man ,and Right Wing warmonger like Obama /Hillary escalating wars and insisting on regime changes around the globe are Leftys ???

    How does Hillary Clintons imperialist vision and support of invading Iraq, looting the spoils in Libya, and her pledge of coming war in Syria, "there is no going back" make her any different than Right Winger, Kissinger or Madeline Albright starving Iraqi children?

    I mean, Blitzkriegs and Napoleonic wars of conquest are essentially Right Wing, run by dictators, yes?


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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    You and Ecofarm with your Communist conspiracies! Read Alex Jones much?
    Dude, you're a fkg Truther. Next time have the balls to quote me if you're gonna talk sht about me.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Someone who believes that 9/11 was an inside job. Debating such a person about Afghanistan is ludicrous. They don't accept the premise of the war and you want to discuss results?
    9/11 Truther. Someone who believes lies? I understand.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Die hards defend any war. Some of them are still defending Vietnam. It's the "my country right or wrong" philosophy that prevailed among the war supporters of the Vietnam era, and still does in the Iraq war era.

    My country may be right, but its leaders are often wrong.
    One can learn lessons from any war. Sometimes nations rightly determine what they intend to accomplish. Sometimes they do not.

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