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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    We've never once declared it a safe haven for terrorists. We put our dirty fingers into training the taliban to fight the russians, then left right after.
    Turning tail and running would, defacto, declare that Afghanistan is a safe haven.

    It is not a winning stragegy.

    We did the right thing in training and arming the freedom fighters. I do agree we missed an opportunity to stay and help out once the Soviets declared victory and returned home. The Soviets failed for a variety of reasons. You already know them.

    If we have the same goal then we are likely to meet with the same failure. If we are preventing Afghanistan from becoming a terrorist safehaven then we can succeed day after day. Islam has been around for a long time. This is not a short war.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Turning tail and running would, defacto, declare that Afghanistan is a safe haven.
    Yeah we should stay there forever.

    Totally a good use of brave souls and hard earned treasure.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Apparently you didn't listen to a word I said earlier. You simply can't put soldiers on every mountaintop and every street corner in the world. Team America World Police is a dangerous and bloody ideology to hold.
    These particular words are not relevant. You offer a false choice. We do not need to be everywhere to deny Afghanistan to the Taliban and Al Quada. We stay. We gather information. We improve and secure the place where we are. We learn from them and allow them to learn from us. We deny terrorists the use of Afghanistan for the next hundred years or so.

    Or we can give up and wait for the next city to burn.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Yeah we should stay there forever.

    Totally a good use of brave souls and hard earned treasure.
    We will only win when we are prepared to stay there forever. Otherwise we shall lose. And more American cities will burn. More civilians will be murdered. Moe bad things will happen.

    Or wee could provide the Islamists a list of their holy places that will be destroyed, one for each dead American. Personally, I like the latter. Eventually we are going to fight this war. Why not now?

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    but just look how well having invaded Afganistan turned out for the Soviets.

    And for all of the other nations and empires that invaded over the centuries.

    Don't we want a part of that success?
    Afghanistan is a very difficult place to "defeat". But that need not be our goal. We only need to deny its use to the Taliban and Al Qaeda. That is doable for as long as we choose to do so.

    We are not invaders. We are paying guests.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    These particular words are not relevant. You offer a false choice. We do not need to be everywhere to deny Afghanistan to the Taliban and Al Quada. We stay. We gather information. We improve and secure the place where we are. We learn from them and allow them to learn from us. We deny terrorists the use of Afghanistan for the next hundred years or so.

    Or we can give up and wait for the next city to burn.
    You're so fundamentalist that I find it amusing. Assuming we "lock down" afghanistan and completely deny it to the terrorists. What prevents them from just moving to the next poor country we're not? The only end game to your solution is holding every country simultaneously.

    What city has burned? I remember two buildings going down, I don't remember an entire city burning.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Turning tail and running would, defacto, declare that Afghanistan is a safe haven.

    It is not a winning stragegy.

    We did the right thing in training and arming the freedom fighters. I do agree we missed an opportunity to stay and help out once the Soviets declared victory and returned home. The Soviets failed for a variety of reasons. You already know them.

    If we have the same goal then we are likely to meet with the same failure. If we are preventing Afghanistan from becoming a terrorist safehaven then we can succeed day after day. Islam has been around for a long time. This is not a short war.
    I'm glad you've finally made it obvious that "pride" and "winning" is far more important to you than american lives, and the tangible benefits to our society.

    There is nothing I can say to this that I haven't already said. You believe afghanistan is so important that it requires the constant and ongoing shedding of american blood, as to not lose face. I take solace in the fact that the future will turn out as I have suggested, and not as you desire. We're leaving afghanistan, and that s***hole can burn to the ground for all I care. We have far more important things in america to worry about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    We will only win when we are prepared to stay there forever. Otherwise we shall lose. And more American cities will burn. More civilians will be murdered. Moe bad things will happen.

    Or wee could provide the Islamists a list of their holy places that will be destroyed, one for each dead American. Personally, I like the latter. Eventually we are going to fight this war. Why not now?
    Stay there forever? Is that sarcastic or are you part of the international arms industry?

    Do you know what a guerilla war is?*

    And on the whole denying safe havens to AQ part.
    I suppose you've never heard of Pakistan, Libya, Somalia, Yemen...

    International Arms Trade is an interesting world. The profits that would be made from a war of forever out of international Govt's Contracts would be astronomical.



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    Re: America’s Dumbest War, Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I am blaming the Corporations that can afford to buy Congressman. We have the best Congressmen that money can buy. The money that influences the direction that Congress moves is the real issue. I can't afford to buy a Congressman, can you. It's time to deal with reality, not a hypothetical, utopian government operating for "truth and justice, the American way." Real world issues.
    I do that by firing those congressmen. Whats your solution?

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