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    Success! Here’s What the Chicago Teachers Get

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    Re: Success! Here’s What the Chicago Teachers Get

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    Success! Here’s What the Chicago Teachers Get

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    Bravo. Like I said; Rham Emanuel got his head handed to him.
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    Re: Success! Here’s What the Chicago Teachers Get

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Bravo. Like I said; Rham Emanuel got his head handed to him.
    don't think that is very true
    The new contract includes the following:

    -A 3% pay increase the first year, with a 2% increase every year thereafter
    rahm unilaterally rescinded an authorized 4% pay hike. this only restored 3/4 of it
    -Phasing out performance-related pay, or “merit pay”
    this is a no-win for teachers, management, students and the taxpayers
    teachers now have no financial motivation to perform above a fully acceptable level
    offering bonus money is one of the best, most effective ways for management to elevate employee performance. for a tiny fraction of the employee's annual salary, you can incentivize the teacher to perform at a superior level, at very nominal cost
    -Hiring 600 teachers in the areas of art, music, world languages, etc.
    how is hiring more teachers, which were needed by the school system, found to be a bad thing
    -Up to $250 reimbursement of school supplies
    every teacher will now receive an extra $250 if they show their receipts. some teachers have been doing this without renumeration. now some of the other teachers will buy stuff for themselves and will tender the receipts for restitution and pocket the money. this works out well for all teachers, the honest and the corrupt. guess this is what happened to the performance money
    -Only 30% of student test scores will be factored into teacher evaluations
    nothing tells us whether the scores will be adjusted for student circumstances beyond the teacher's control, whether they will be based on individual student growth or whether they will be raw data by class. will be interested to hear how that shook out
    -Laid-off teachers receive hiring-priority for charter school position openings
    can't see why this would humble rahm

    this looks like nothing other than the compromise which results when labor and management sit down and engage in good faith bargaining. everyone wins; no one loses
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Success! Here’s What the Chicago Teachers Get

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    don't think that is very true

    rahm unilaterally rescinded an authorized 4% pay hike. this only restored 3/4 of it

    this is a no-win for teachers, management, students and the taxpayers
    teachers now have no financial motivation to perform above a fully acceptable level
    offering bonus money is one of the best, most effective ways for management to elevate employee performance. for a tiny fraction of the employee's annual salary, you can incentivize the teacher to perform at a superior level, at very nominal cost

    how is hiring more teachers, which were needed by the school system, found to be a bad thing

    every teacher will now receive an extra $250 if they show their receipts. some teachers have been doing this without renumeration. now some of the other teachers will buy stuff for themselves and will tender the receipts for restitution and pocket the money. this works out well for all teachers, the honest and the corrupt. guess this is what happened to the performance money

    nothing tells us whether the scores will be adjusted for student circumstances beyond the teacher's control, whether they will be based on individual student growth or whether they will be raw data by class. will be interested to hear how that shook out
    can't see why this would humble rahm

    this looks like nothing other than the compromise which results when labor and management sit down and engage in good faith bargaining. everyone wins; no one loses
    Uh, no. The contract ensures a 7% raise over 3 years with a guaranteed 3% additionally for a fourth year. That’s 10% and that is very good.

    Teachers do not need to employ greed to their jobs: that’s not how collective bargaining works. So that idea is out the window.

    Hiring more teachers to lesson the load and offer more classes in the arts was part of the deal to begin with. It’s a win for everyone particularly the students.

    Teachers all over are having to buy supplies without any reimbursement so this contract now means that they’ll get part of their money back. And the district will not pay for personal items, so that’s just BS.

    I know from experience that there is always 30% in most any school that is up for grabs so to speak. So keeping in the 30 percentile is much more accurate and realistic.

    Rham thought he could come out swinging and run over the teachers: that didn’t happen. The teachers got more of what they wanted than not and they set a god example for the rest of the country. So Rham Emanuel did get his head handed to him.
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    Re: Success! Here’s What the Chicago Teachers Get

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Uh, no. The contract ensures a 7% raise over 3 years with a guaranteed 3% additionally for a fourth year. That’s 10% and that is very good.
    by my math, getting 3% after losing 4% means they recovered only 75% of their loss
    now if my arithmetic is wrong for the first year, please identify the error

    for the out years, what annual raises were the teachers receiving under the existing contract?
    only by knowing what they would have alternatively received will we be able to know factually whether this contract improved their compensation for the out years. but unless you can prove my math wrong, it is absolutely a fact that the teachers lost ground in year one of the contract - financially, anyway

    Teachers do not need to employ greed to their jobs: that’s not how collective bargaining works. So that idea is out the window.
    but we know the teachers employed collective bargaining to get this contract approved. you are arguing against fact. which means you lose the argument

    Hiring more teachers to lesson the load and offer more classes in the arts was part of the deal to begin with. It’s a win for everyone particularly the students.
    then tell us how that results in rahm having his head handed to him

    Teachers all over are having to buy supplies without any reimbursement so this contract now means that they’ll get part of their money back.
    and for the teachers - and there are many - my wife spent tons buying students' supplies for her art classes. so, for the honest, supportive teachers, this is a welcome change. but i would speculate that the ed administration will now reduce the amount of supplies available from their warehouse, causing the teachers to have to dip into the $250 for a large portion of what was previously supplied

    And the district will not pay for personal items, so that’s just BS.
    you think that teacher with a receipt for toner cartridges for their class will necessarily have to use that cartridge for the class instead of using it at home for their family's purposes? that would be a naive proposition. now, that would not have been the intended outcome, but that will be the practice for the corrupt employees

    I know from experience that there is always 30% in most any school that is up for grabs so to speak. So keeping in the 30 percentile is much more accurate and realistic.
    good. i look forward to your offering something more substantial to defend your argument that 30% is the norm, given your intimate experience with the subject matter. i look forward to seeing your cites

    Rham thought he could come out swinging and run over the teachers: that didn’t happen.
    let's see, he got to keep 1/4 of their annual raise for this year
    he was able to retain student scores as a portion of the teachers' performance appraisal system
    and he got teachers back in the class room after a long week off .... probably by extending the school year end by the equivalent number of days
    so, tell us what rahm lost

    The teachers got more of what they wanted than not and they set a god example for the rest of the country. So Rham Emanuel did get his head handed to him.
    let's see. the teachers had to strike to get some of what they were seeking
    to return to work they gave up 1/4 of their annual increase for this year
    they accepted having student performance included in their performance appraisals
    they lost performance pay
    and you say they won and rahm lost
    so much for your credibility
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    Re: Success! Here’s What the Chicago Teachers Get

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    don't think that is very true

    rahm unilaterally rescinded an authorized 4% pay hike. this only restored 3/4 of it

    this is a no-win for teachers, management, students and the taxpayers
    teachers now have no financial motivation to perform above a fully acceptable level
    offering bonus money is one of the best, most effective ways for management to elevate employee performance. for a tiny fraction of the employee's annual salary, you can incentivize the teacher to perform at a superior level, at very nominal cost

    how is hiring more teachers, which were needed by the school system, found to be a bad thing

    every teacher will now receive an extra $250 if they show their receipts. some teachers have been doing this without renumeration. now some of the other teachers will buy stuff for themselves and will tender the receipts for restitution and pocket the money. this works out well for all teachers, the honest and the corrupt. guess this is what happened to the performance money

    nothing tells us whether the scores will be adjusted for student circumstances beyond the teacher's control, whether they will be based on individual student growth or whether they will be raw data by class. will be interested to hear how that shook out
    can't see why this would humble rahm

    this looks like nothing other than the compromise which results when labor and management sit down and engage in good faith bargaining. everyone wins; no one loses
    This aspect of unions as well as tenure are the most problematic in my opinion. Unions tend to breed an attitude of "don't work too hard, you are showing me up". The merit pay system just makes too many people "uncomfortable" with their own efforts and worth.
    It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others.

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    Re: Success! Here’s What the Chicago Teachers Get

    And the students get, oh, never mind. How foolish of me. They get the same as they've been getting.

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    Re: Success! Here’s What the Chicago Teachers Get

    This is defiantly a win for the union and the school system of Chicago.


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    Re: Success! Here’s What the Chicago Teachers Get

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    This is defiantly a win for the union and the school system of Chicago.
    Your spelling on other hand:is not.
    Definitely/defiantly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fruityfact View Post
    Your spelling on other hand:is not.
    Definitely/defiantly
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