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14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

It's not their dollars, these are public funds being used to indoctrinate children in religious and/or right wing lies. These schools need to be cut off from public funds or shut down immediately.
I agree with you, but you dont go far enough, all shools should be cut off from public funds.
 
There were good and bad slave owners. Grow up ffs!
LOL!

I would ask you to define what makes a "good" slave owner, but I'm sure what I would get would be ad hominems and avoidance....along with the continuing unawareness of the contradiction inherent in the term.
 
Question: How many of you who have replied to this thread actually have children in the Louisiana school system?


Most likely one or two of you, at most.


I question the motives behind this thread. I agree with the poster who said it reeks of a smear piece. Great, everyone tee off and bash the Conservative Christians.


Here's another question: Are you surprised that Conservative Christianity is deeply entrenched in the traditions of the deep south? Is this some new and breaking development?


Of course not. It's been that way for centuries.



Why are you, then, incapable of leaving the good people of Louisiana alone? This is a state issue, it doesn't concern you. Why stick your nose in where it doesn't belong?

Southerners call it "carpet bagging." You may have good intentions, but I assure you, the good people of Louisiana are more than capable of running their own state without your condescending meddling.
 
Question: How many of you who have replied to this thread actually have children in the Louisiana school system?

Most likely one or two of you, at most.

I question the motives behind this thread. I agree with the poster who said it reeks of a smear piece. Great, everyone tee off and bash the Conservative Christians.

Here's another question: Are you surprised that Conservative Christianity is deeply entrenched in the traditions of the deep south? Is this some new and breaking development?

Of course not. It's been that way for centuries.

Why are you, then, incapable of leaving the good people of Louisiana alone? This is a state issue, it doesn't concern you. Why stick your nose in where it doesn't belong?

Southerners call it "carpet bagging." You may have good intentions, but I assure you, the good people of Louisiana are more than capable of running their own state without your condescending meddling.

This is government-funded religious "schooling." It could be a constitutional issue. Louisiana can't just ignore that on the basis of "state's rights." It's totally everyone's business if they are violating the constitution by funding religious indoctrination.

Second, it effects everyone in this country when children are being taught idiotic, Dark Ages fantasy instead of reality in schools. Those kids will vote someday. They might move to another state someday. This is a real social issue for everyone in this country.

Third, the fact that it may not be happening in your own state doesn't mean you have no right to comment on it. We have a right to comment on whatever social, political, and educational things are going on in this country that we want. Lord knows the Southerners aren't shy of doing it themselves. They've got very big mouths concerning states that have legalized gay marriage or that have fairly laid back abortion laws or whatever else, and a lot of them are very keen to try to influence those states to alter their course. I think they have a word for that; it might be hypocrisy.
 
Double post. Site went all crazy just as I was posting it.
 
Do you have proof that federal funds are going to this?

I believe voucher money to private schools is typically local, but maybe you'll prove me wrong.

If YOUR tax dollars are directly paying for this, then you certainly do have a say.

If YOUR tax dollars are NOT paying for this, you are just meddling.


This is government-funded religious "schooling." It could be a constitutional issue. Louisiana can't just ignore that on the basis of "state's rights." It's totally everyone's business if they are violating the constitution by funding religious indoctrination.

Second, it effects everyone in this country when children are being taught idiotic, Dark Ages fantasy instead of reality in schools. Those kids will vote someday. They might move to another state someday. This is a real social issue for everyone in this country.

Third, the fact that it may not be happening in your own state doesn't mean you have no right to comment on it. We have a right to comment on whatever social, political, and educational things are going on in this country that we want. Lord knows the Southerners aren't shy of doing it themselves. They've got very big mouths concerning states that have legalized gay marriage or that have fairly laid back abortion laws or whatever else, and a lot of them are very keen to try to influence those states to alter their course. I think they have a word for that; it might be hypocrisy.
 
There is no precedent that says we need to change this due to some perceived social engineering effects which, by the way, you haven't supported with any data.

If you poll the residents of Louisiana, many or most might be fine with this.

Everyone's moral compass isn't exactly the same as yours.

To use your own example: Probably half of all Americans find homosexuality objectionable on the grounds that it's degrading to society. Should the government be able to step in and make sure our schools teach kids that gay is wrong? These are future voters after all. They might move to other states.

I'm gonna take a wild guess here, SmokeAndMirrors, and say that when it agrees with YOUR ideology, the government should act... but when it doesn't, they should stay the hell out.

It doesn't work like that. But oh, how we all hate people who aren't like us. It's human nature I suppose. Those damn right wing crazy religious backward gun-toting hillbillies...


This is government-funded religious "schooling." It could be a constitutional issue. Louisiana can't just ignore that on the basis of "state's rights." It's totally everyone's business if they are violating the constitution by funding religious indoctrination.

Second, it effects everyone in this country when children are being taught idiotic, Dark Ages fantasy instead of reality in schools. Those kids will vote someday. They might move to another state someday. This is a real social issue for everyone in this country.

Third, the fact that it may not be happening in your own state doesn't mean you have no right to comment on it. We have a right to comment on whatever social, political, and educational things are going on in this country that we want. Lord knows the Southerners aren't shy of doing it themselves. They've got very big mouths concerning states that have legalized gay marriage or that have fairly laid back abortion laws or whatever else, and a lot of them are very keen to try to influence those states to alter their course. I think they have a word for that; it might be hypocrisy.
 
Do you have proof that federal funds are going to this?

I believe voucher money to private schools is typically local, but maybe you'll prove me wrong.

If YOUR tax dollars are directly paying for this, then you certainly do have a say.

If YOUR tax dollars are NOT paying for this, you are just meddling.

It doesn't matter whether it's coming from the fed or not. It still could be unconstitutional even if it's coming from the state government, which it is.

I'm not meddling. It's the Constitution. It applies to every state and their local governments.

There is no precedent that says we need to change this due to some perceived social engineering effects which, by the way, you haven't supported with any data.

If you poll the residents of Louisiana, many or most might be fine with this.

Everyone's moral compass isn't exactly the same as yours.

To use your own example: Probably half of all Americans find homosexuality objectionable on the grounds that it's degrading to society. Should the government be able to step in and make sure our schools teach kids that gay is wrong? These are future voters after all. They might move to other states.

I'm gonna take a wild guess here, SmokeAndMirrors, and say that when it agrees with YOUR ideology, the government should act... but when it doesn't, they should stay the hell out.

It doesn't work like that. But oh, how we all hate people who aren't like us. It's human nature I suppose. Those damn right wing crazy religious backward gun-toting hillbillies...

So what? Don't I have to right to disagree with them? If not, what's the point of this forum, or any kind of democracy? Why don't we all just sit quietly in the corner, then?

Nope, that's not the case at all. The government does a lot of things I don't personally believe in, but in some cases I recognize my beliefs would be wrong to enforce governmentally.

Just because you don't know the difference between personal bones and social policy doesn't mean we're all like that.
 
It doesn't matter whether it's coming from the fed or not. It still could be unconstitutional even if it's coming from the state government, which it is.

I'm not meddling. It's the Constitution. It applies to every state and their local governments.

We have two separate questions here: an ethical question, and a legal question.

Legally, we are discussing private schools who have the right to teach that the sky is purple if they want to. Parents don't have to send their children to that particular school. That is the beauty of the voucher system, that the money can be put toward whatever school the parents believe is best for their own children.

I'm not a lawyer, but I doubt you have much of a legal case. If you did, I'm certain that there would already be lawsuits challenging the program.

That leaves us with the ethical question - whether you are entitled to a say in something that is happening not in your community, and that you are not helping to fund.
 
So what? Don't I have to right to disagree with them? If not, what's the point of this forum, or any kind of democracy? Why don't we all just sit quietly in the corner, then?

Nope, that's not the case at all. The government does a lot of things I don't personally believe in, but in some cases I recognize my beliefs would be wrong to enforce governmentally.

Just because you don't know the difference between personal bones and social policy doesn't mean we're all like that.

You have every right to your opinion. You don't have the right to IMPOSE your opinion on other people. And yes, that applies to me as much as it applies to you.

If you would have just said "I don't think those 14 points are appropriate subject matter for schoolchildren" I wouldn't have any problem with that. I take issue when you (or anyone not involved in that particular community) talks about what action needs to be taken, because it's not your place, or uses a thread like this as a springboard to bash all things Christian.
 
We have two separate questions here: an ethical question, and a legal question.

Yup, we do.

Legally, we are discussing private schools who have the right to teach that the sky is purple if they want to.

...Even if they are funded by the state government?

Parents don't have to send their children to that particular school. That is the beauty of the voucher system, that the money can be put toward whatever school the parents believe is best for their own children.

I'm not a lawyer, but I doubt you have much of a legal case. If you did, I'm certain that there would already be lawsuits challenging the program.

That leaves us with the ethical question - whether you are entitled to a say in something that is happening not in your community, and that you are not helping to fund.

Like I said, they are funded by the state government.

You have every right to your opinion. You don't have the right to IMPOSE your opinion on other people. And yes, that applies to me as much as it applies to you.

How am I imposing my opinion? I posted on an internet forum that I think there may a constitutional issue, and I think it's damaging to teach this curriculum to kids. What exactly about that is imposing?

Would you feel the same way if a school that was funded by the state was teaching children that Allah is the one true god and everything opposing him is the work of Satan, and that the Taliban was just representing cultural pride?

If you would have just said "I don't think those 14 points are appropriate subject matter for schoolchildren" I wouldn't have any problem with that. I take issue when you (or anyone not involved in that particular community) talks about what action needs to be taken, because it's not your place, or uses a thread like this as a springboard to bash all things Christian.

All things Christian? I think you'll find a good deal of Christians who think this is utterly insane. It is only the farthest reaches of the fringe who wouldn't.

You do know that most Christians don't believe in dragons, and that literalism is a relatively new phenomena restricted to a handful of sects, right?

I am perfectly well within my "place" to criticize whatever I want.
 
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Yup, we do.



...Even if they are funded by the state government?



Like I said, they are funded by the state government.

If you had a legal case, where are the lawsuits? Why hasn't the program been shut down? The proof is in the pudding.


How am I imposing my opinion? I posted on an internet forum that I think there may a constitutional issue, and I think it's damaging to teach this curriculum to kids. What exactly about that is imposing?

Maybe you are, maybe you aren't. Like I said, if you are expressing an opinion about what you think should be taught in classrooms, that's fine. If you think the federal government ought to come in and shut the schools or the voucher program down, your opinion is overstepping. You don't live in Louisiana, and you don't pay taxes in to the program.

My original post, to which you responded, wasn't targeted to you specifically. I didn't seek you out.

It was targeted to everyone who posted on this thread. Everyone needs to mind their own business if they don't live in Louisiana, and leave this up to the locals.

Would you feel the same way if a school that was funded by the state was teaching children that Allah is the one true god and everything opposing him is the work of Satan, and that the Taliban was just representing cultural pride?

If they're not teaching kids to break the law, I don't have a problem with it. I wouldn't send my kids there, but that's all the say I have in the matter.

America is full of Islamic communities, Hindu communities, Jewish, etc. My own city of Chicago is as diverse as it gets. Absolutely I think every community should have somewhere to send their kids that matches their core values, if they choose. We can't all be the same.
 
If you had a legal case, where are the lawsuits? Why hasn't the program been shut down? The proof is in the pudding.

Right here:

A court date is now set for October 15 in District Court in the battle over Louisiana's new voucher program.

Teacher unions are arguing that it is unconstitutional because public money helps fund private schools.

Court date set for education voucher program, constitutionality in question | WVLA NBC33 | Baton Rouge News, Weather and Sports

Maybe you are, maybe you aren't. Like I said, if you are expressing an opinion about what you think should be taught in classrooms, that's fine. If you think the federal government ought to come in and shut the schools or the voucher program down, your opinion is overstepping. You don't live in Louisiana, and you don't pay taxes in to the program.

My original post, to which you responded, wasn't targeted to you specifically. I didn't seek you out.

It was targeted to everyone who posted on this thread. Everyone needs to mind their own business if they don't live in Louisiana, and leave this up to the locals.

Maybe I am, maybe I'm not? What am I doing besides posting on an internet forum? How am I imposing my views?

My opinion cannot possibly be "overstepping." It's my opinion. Do you know what free speech is?

Someone posted a thread about this topic. It is open to people who live anywhere in the world.

If they're not teaching kids to break the law, I don't have a problem with it. I wouldn't send my kids there, but that's all the say I have in the matter.

America is full of Islamic communities, Hindu communities, Jewish, etc. My own city of Chicago is as diverse as it gets. Absolutely I think every community should have somewhere to send their kids that matches their core values, if they choose. We can't all be the same.

I have a problem with unconstitutional use of government money.

They can teach this crap all day long. Just not on the public's dime.
 
Right here:



Court date set for education voucher program, constitutionality in question | WVLA NBC33 | Baton Rouge News, Weather and Sports



Maybe I am, maybe I'm not? What am I doing besides posting on an internet forum? How am I imposing my views?

My opinion cannot possibly be "overstepping." It's my opinion. Do you know what free speech is?

Someone posted a thread about this topic. It is open to people who live anywhere in the world.



I have a problem with unconstitutional use of government money.

They can teach this crap all day long. Just not on the public's dime.

Hey we'll have to see how those lawsuits go. There's no debate to be had on the legal side then, they'll either win or they won't.

As for your other point, "the public" in this case doesn't include you. It's NOT your dime. You, personally, have contributed zero dollars and zero cents to that program. Thus, you thinking you are entitled to a say in what they do is just wrong.

But hey, that's freedom of speech....since you asked. You have a right to come on this forum and be as wrong as you want. Just like I have the right to point it out.
 
Hey we'll have to see how those lawsuits go. There's no debate to be had on the legal side then, they'll either win or they won't.

As for your other point, "the public" in this case doesn't include you. It's NOT your dime. You, personally, have contributed zero dollars and zero cents to that program. Thus, you thinking you are entitled to a say in what they do is just wrong.

But hey, that's freedom of speech....since you asked. You have a right to come on this forum and be as wrong as you want. Just like I have the right to point it out.

Actually, yes, it is my dime.

State education receive a minority of their funding from the federal government since the 60's.

Therefore, the federal government, through the legislative process, provides assistance to the states and schools in an effort to supplement, not supplant, state support.

Archived: 10 Fact About K-12 Education Funding

In addition to that, I pay disproportionately for it, personally.

I live in Minnesota, which is one of the best-run states in the US. Because of that, we only get 75 cents for every dollar of federal taxes we pay. That other quarter is going to poorer, dysfunctional states like Louisiana. So federally speaking, I pay more for it than they do.
 
How do you know that state education funds are the same as the voucher funds? It might be two totally separate pots of money.

Assuming you are right, though, then surely you understand why conservatives are against federally funded stem cell research, abortions, and birth control. If our tax dollars touch the issue, we have a say, right?

You just accepted that premise.

Actually, yes, it is my dime.

State education receive a minority of their funding from the federal government since the 60's.



Archived: 10 Fact About K-12 Education Funding

In addition to that, I pay disproportionately for it, personally.

I live in Minnesota, which is one of the best-run states in the US. Because of that, we only get 75 cents for every dollar of federal taxes we pay. That other quarter is going to poorer, dysfunctional states like Louisiana. So federally speaking, I pay more for it than they do.
 
How do you know that state education funds are the same as the voucher funds? It might be two totally separate pots of money.

Assuming you are right, though, then surely you understand why conservatives are against federally funded stem cell research, abortions, and birth control. If our tax dollars touch the issue, we have a say, right?

You just accepted that premise.

As my link says, the money goes towards materials, training, low income student needs, special programs, all kinds of different things. Practically everything. I couldn't tell you the dollar amount, but I'd be shocked if it was nothing. The list is a long one. Why don't you look at the link?

Even if it were nothing, it doesn't matter. It's still a constitutional breach even if it were only using state funding.

I understand why they're against those things, yes. However, the Constitution states it will not respect an establishment of religion. It does not say it will refrain from offending religious opinions. That would be impossible. How would we decide whether to force people to kneel towards Mecca or pray with their hands joined? Can't do both. It would also be extremely authoritarian. Shall we mandate all women wear head coverings?

So long as a law is not preventing an individual from their religious practice, it is free to offend religion as much as it likes.
 
Then you can't rightly complain when conservatives vote down things like stem cell research, partially funded abortion, funding for planned parenthood, on the grounds that conservative tax dollars are in play.

As my link says, the money goes towards materials, training, low income student needs, special programs, all kinds of different things. Practically everything. I couldn't tell you the dollar amount, but I'd be shocked if it was nothing. The list is a long one. Why don't you look at the link?

Even if it were nothing, it doesn't matter. It's still a constitutional breach even if it were only using state funding.

I understand why they're against those things, yes. However, the Constitution states it will not respect an establishment of religion. It does not say it will refrain from offending religious opinions. That would be impossible. How would we decide whether to force people to kneel towards Mecca or pray with their hands joined? Can't do both. It would also be extremely authoritarian. Shall we mandate all women wear head coverings?

So long as a law is not preventing an individual from their religious practice, it is free to offend religion as much as it likes.
 
Then you can't rightly complain when conservatives vote down things like stem cell research, partially funded abortion, funding for planned parenthood, on the grounds that conservative tax dollars are in play.

Yes, I can, and I just explained why. The Constitution doesn't say it will not pass any law that may offend religious people. It says it will not make any law respecting an establishment of religion, or preventing the practice of religion.

We have lots of laws that offend both religious and non-religious people, and lots of things we pay taxes towards that offend both religious and non-religious people. That is perfectly legal, as long as they can still practice (or not).

What is not legal is using government money to fund religion.

Did you read my post?
 
Yes, I can, and I just explained why. The Constitution doesn't say it will not pass any law that may offend religious people. It says it will not make any law respecting an establishment of religion, or preventing the practice of religion.

We have lots of laws that offend both religious and non-religious people, and lots of things we pay taxes towards that offend both religious and non-religious people. That is perfectly legal, as long as they can still practice (or not).

What is not legal is using government money to fund religion.

Did you read my post?


Again, we have two issues.... a legal issue and a moral issue.

Legally, we'll see what the courts have to say. I'm not a lawyer, and it doesn't sound like you are either. I am not about to pretend to be an expert in constitutional law or the specifics of this case, so I'll just leave it at 50/50 chance that the program is constitutional. We'll see.

Now to the ethical question. You implicitly agreed with the premise that your tax dollars, ethically not legally, give you a say in the matter with the schools. Since you're helping fund it, you should get a say.

If not, when I say "You, personally, have contributed zero dollars and zero cents to that program. Thus, you thinking you are entitled to a say in what they do is just wrong" you should have made the case that you are indeed entitled irrespective of your tax contribution.

Instead, you tried to prove that you have indeed made a tax contribution to the voucher program, and in so doing, you accept that this is why you are entitled a say in how they run their schools in Louisiana. Otherwise why make the point?

Given that, we need to use the same logic to federal spending on stem cell research and Planned Parenthood. Since conservatives pay federal taxes, they should get a say how those taxes are spent. So you really have no grounds to complain if and when conservatives vote these things down.

You even went as far as to imply that the amount of taxes you pay should determine how much say you have in the issue.

Given the income of Republicans.... nah we won't go there :)
 
Again, we have two issues.... a legal issue and a moral issue.

Legally, we'll see what the courts have to say. I'm not a law... blah blah blah

If you refuse to read my responses and address the arguments I make, I will not bother repeating myself for you. I have explained -- twice -- the difference between funding religion and being offended, as pertains to constitutional legality. I never said that my opinion is a good enough reason to enforce my views. I was simply pointing out that you're wrong when you say I can't have an opinion because it's not my money, both because it is my money, and because I can have an opinion on whatever I want. My reply is there for everyone to see -- including you, whenever you feel like bothering to read them.
 
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Of course there were dragons.
 
If you refuse to read my responses and address the arguments I make, I will not bother repeating myself for you. I have explained -- twice -- the difference between funding religion and being offended, as pertains to constitutional legality. I never said that my opinion is a good enough reason to enforce my views. I was simply pointing out that you're wrong when you say I can't have an opinion because it's not my money, both because it is my money, and because I can have an opinion on whatever I want. My reply is there for everyone to see -- including you, whenever you feel like bothering to read them.

Why do you think I didn't read your response? I read quite carefully, actually, because otherwise I would just be debating myself, and that's no fun.

That said, maybe you didn't read mine? We have two avenues to debate the issue: Legal and Ethical.

Legally, I don't know how I can be more clear. Neither of us are lawyers, so I'm not interested in having the legal debate. It's foolish to pretend to be an expert in something when you're not, so I won't go down that path with you.

So.... leaving the constitution out of it...... it doesn't matter WHAT the issue is that is being funded. You're making a distinction between issues that are "funded religion" and issues that are "offensive to religion" when that is irrelevant. What is relevant is that you must apply the same logic to yourself as you apply to others, or be a hypocrite. If you think you have the right to stick your nose in Louisiana's business because some of your tax dollars go there, then you can't gripe when conservatives vote down Planned Parenthood or stem cell research because many conservative's dollars go there.
 
Question: How many of you who have replied to this thread actually have children in the Louisiana school system?


Most likely one or two of you, at most.


I question the motives behind this thread. I agree with the poster who said it reeks of a smear piece. Great, everyone tee off and bash the Conservative Christians.


Here's another question: Are you surprised that Conservative Christianity is deeply entrenched in the traditions of the deep south? Is this some new and breaking development?


Of course not. It's been that way for centuries.



Why are you, then, incapable of leaving the good people of Louisiana alone? This is a state issue, it doesn't concern you. Why stick your nose in where it doesn't belong?

Southerners call it "carpet bagging." You may have good intentions, but I assure you, the good people of Louisiana are more than capable of running their own state without your condescending meddling.


I have a relative who was a teacher in Louisiana, her in-laws have children in the school system.


"Conservative Christianity" - by which I assume you mean evangelical or fundamentalist Xianity - is really a late 19th/early 20th C development. It grew originally because the established churches were seen as representing only the elite AND because the established faiths offered little in the way of an emotional connection for a populace, both black and white, that felt the old churches had become too 'rational' and distant from the day to day suffering of the working classes.


"the good people of Louisiana are more than capable of running their own state without your condescending meddling." Oh - only if it were so. Louisiana has long held a reputation for being one of the most corrupt states in the nation along with having one of the most disfunctional political systems. It also has for many years seen a cultural divide between the hedonism of the Cajuns in the southern part of the state and those "Conservative Christians" found in the northern half of the state.

Louisiana is another one of those "red states" that receives more from the federal government than it sends to DC with its taxes.

Louisiana has the highest incarceration rate in the world
Louisiana is the world's prison capital. The state imprisons more of its people, per head, than any of its U.S. counterparts. First among Americans means first in the world. Louisiana's incarceration rate is nearly five times Iran's, 13 times China's and 20 times Germany's.

The hidden engine behind the state's well-oiled prison machine is cold, hard cash. A majority of Louisiana inmates are housed in for-profit facilities, which must be supplied with a constant influx of human beings or a $182 million industry will go bankrupt.

added to that bit about keeping companies from going bankrupt, we also have just a teeny weeny possibility of corruption in the way the system is run
... in a uniquely Louisiana twist, most prison entrepreneurs are rural sheriffs, who hold tremendous sway in remote parishes like Madison, Avoyelles, East Carroll and Concordia. A good portion of Louisiana law enforcement is financed with dollars legally skimmed off the top of prison operations.

If the inmate count dips, sheriffs bleed money.

So, according to death-penalty advocates and those who promote ever more stringent punishment for crimes, Louisiana should be one of the more crime-free states - right?
1. Louisiana
> Violent crimes (excl. murder) per 100,000: 537.8 (8th most)
> Murders per 100,000: 11.2 (the most)
> Incarceration rate per 100,000: 867 (the most)
> Police per 100,000: 542.8 (the most)
> Basic access: 79.2 (5th lowest)
> Total cost of violence: $9.82 billion

Of the five metrics used to generate the Peace Index, Louisiana received the absolute worst score in all but two of them. The state has the eighth-worst violent crime rate and the fourth-worst rate of gun suicides. The state has the highest levels of both police per capita incarceration. The state’s 867 prisoners per 100,000 people is well more than the next-worst state, Mississippi, which has 686 prisoners per 100,000. The state’s murder rate is what truly sets it apart as the least peaceful in the country. Louisiana’s homicide rate in 2010 was 11.2 per 100,000 residents. The next-worst state, Maryland, had 7.4 murders per 100,000 people. Louisiana was also among the worst 10 states for each of the 10 categories shown to have a high level of correlation with violence.

Read more: America’s Most (and Least) Peaceful States - 24/7 Wall St.


Now - what with me being a bigoted socialist atheist and all - these data points must be nothing more than liberal lies, but a guy like me does wonder why a state (tied with Alabama) with the highest rate of church attendance in the nation is at the same time rated as the most violent and crime-ridden state in the country. If Louisianians are doing such a great job running their state - why the problems?
 
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