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14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

My very public school made me take the same math classes for 3 years, even though I aced them.

Seems like that would be more damaging to someones education.
 
Total bull. Louisiana has a minimum curriculum to accept funds and none of that stuff is taught anywhere in the state, in fact the only difference between the major public and private schools in my location is that parochials have a prayer time and public schools cannot do such. The parochials teach; history, chemistry, biology, evolution, physics, and everything else required to survive in college.
 
"Fact" is apparently another one of those liberal code words that means, "Things that make no sense that we desperately want to believe."

My children attended a unionized public school. Things they were taught. The Holocaust never happened. Spelling, punctuation, structure, and grammar are unimportant. Communism is the only compassionate system. The earth will be destroyed by pollution in a few years. DDT causes cancer. And, my personal favorite, the Constitution is a living document and doesn't need to be followed.
 
A school teacher asked her class of young students one day, "How many of you love President Obama?"

All the kids in the class raised their hands except one, little Johnny.

Teacher: "Johnny, you did raise your hand, why not?"
Johnny: "I don't love Obama."
Teacher: "Why don't you love Obama?"
Johnny: "'cause I'm a 'pulican."
Teacher: "Why do say you are a Republican?"
Johnny: "My Father is a 'publican, my Mother is a 'publican, so I am a 'publican."
Teacher: "If that is so, what would you be if your Father was stupid and your Mother was an idiot?"
Johnny: "Then I would be a Democrat and I would Love Obama."
 
Considering that religious tax-payers have to pay towards schools that disallow even extracurricular religious classes, it must be difficult for said people to care about the complaints directed towards this issue in particular.
 
Considering that religious tax-payers have to pay towards schools that disallow even extracurricular religious classes, it must be difficult for said people to care about the complaints directed towards this issue in particular.

What school has disallowed extracurricular religious classes?
 
What school has disallowed extracurricular religious classes?

Most if not all public school systems. Because those classes would be religious in nature, they aren't added as extracurriculars in the public school system and they certainly aren't funded by taxpayers.
 
Most if not all public school systems. Because those classes would be religious in nature, they aren't added as extracurriculars in the public school system and they certainly aren't funded by taxpayers.


I'm not sure what you talking about. Do you have an example?

I do know that these guys Fellowship of Christian Athletes are allowed to have clubs in school and utilize classrooms to meet.
 
I'm not sure what you talking about. Do you have an example?

I do know that these guys Fellowship of Christian Athletes are allowed to have clubs in school and utilize classrooms to meet.

With respect it seems to me that the public school system doesn't allow any religious, extra-curricular classes. That said, they also wouldn't allow any sort of religious class, whether an extracurricular or not, to be funded by taxpayers.

Since taxpayers don't pay for any religious classes... because there are some atheists who would be very much against it... it's understandable if religious people don't care about the complaints of some regarding this issue.
 
With respect it seems to me that the public school system doesn't allow any religious, extra-curricular classes. That said, they also wouldn't allow any sort of religious class, whether an extracurricular or not, to be funded by taxpayers.

Since taxpayers don't pay for any religious classes... because there are some atheists who would be very much against it... it's understandable if religious people don't care about the complaints of some regarding this issue.


So do you think students should get credit for Sunday school?
 
Total bull. Louisiana has a minimum curriculum to accept funds and none of that stuff is taught anywhere in the state, in fact the only difference between the major public and private schools in my location is that parochials have a prayer time and public schools cannot do such. The parochials teach; history, chemistry, biology, evolution, physics, and everything else required to survive in college.


Chicago Tribune, July 23, 2012

(Reuters) - State money will continue to flow to scores of private and religious schools participating in Louisiana's new voucher program even if their students fail basic reading and math tests, according to new guidelines released by the state on Monday.
 
I do not believe a word of this post.
And I don't care. I live here and have never seen any school parochial or public that offered any of that supposed curriculum, besides, MotherJones is not exactly a scientific and unbiased source, quite the opposite. In fact, the state teacher's union's only claim was creationism would be taught and they couldn't even prove that.
 
9. The Red Scare isn't over yet: "It is no wonder that Satan hates the family and has hurled his venom against it in the form of Communism."— American Government in Christian Perspective, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1997

Of course this ignores the fact that Communist sympathizers and actual agents of the USSR did infiltrate the government, and the concept of the politariot supersedes that of the family.
 
"Fact" is apparently another one of those liberal code words that means, "Things that make no sense that we desperately want to believe."

My children attended a unionized public school. Things they were taught. The Holocaust never happened. Spelling, punctuation, structure, and grammar are unimportant. Communism is the only compassionate system. The earth will be destroyed by pollution in a few years. DDT causes cancer. And, my personal favorite, the Constitution is a living document and doesn't need to be followed.



In what country did your children attend "unionized public school"? In the United States, I would say that such a statement is totally untrue.


Provide proof of your claim or maybe an apology would suffice.
 
In what country did your children attend "unionized public school"? In the United States, I would say that such a statement is totally untrue.


Provide proof of your claim or maybe an apology would suffice.
Schools fall under the NEA, or National Educators Association which is a union. The NEA has a presence in every state, federal, and local school, every single one. Raises are not based upon merit but rather tenure and it's nearly impossible to fire a tenured teacher. Everyone already knows this.
 
And I don't care. I live here and have never seen any school parochial or public that offered any of that supposed curriculum, besides, MotherJones is not exactly a scientific and unbiased source, quite the opposite. In fact, the state teacher's union's only claim was creationism would be taught and they couldn't even prove that.

Did you read the article? They identified something like 20 schools that use, or claim to use, the curriculum that created the quotes (the "wacky facts") from the article. Put another way, they're citing to actual textbooks. Unless you're arguing that Mother Jones is flat out lying about the curriculum these schools are claiming to use, I think you're going to have to accept that this is actually happening.
 
Did you read the article? They identified something like 20 schools that use, or claim to use, the curriculum that created the quotes (the "wacky facts") from the article. Put another way, they're citing to actual textbooks. Unless you're arguing that Mother Jones is flat out lying about the curriculum these schools are claiming to use, I think you're going to have to accept that this is actually happening.
She is flat out lying. Like I said, I live here and have never seen or heard any of it, not in local papers, not in person, nothing. Do you actually think you wouldn't see that in some form of media that's actually accredited if that were half true? It would be all over the place, so yes, MotherJones is lying.
 
This is horrific.

I almost want to cry. My niece lives in Louisiana. She's very smart, so I would hate for her potential to be so severely limited by such a tragic excuse for an education.

I hope they move back to California soon. Ugh. This **** makes me mad.

14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools | Mother Jones
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"1. Dinosaurs and humans probably hung out: "Bible-believing Christians cannot accept any evolutionary interpretation. Dinosaurs and humans were definitely on the earth at the same time and may have even lived side by side within the past few thousand years."—Life Science, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2007


2. Dragons were totally real: "[Is] it possible that a fire-breathing animal really existed? Today some scientists are saying yes. They have found large chambers in certain dinosaur skulls…The large skull chambers could have contained special chemical-producing glands. When the animal forced the chemicals out of its mouth or nose, these substances may have combined and produced fire and smoke."—Life Science, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2007

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Whew! Seems extreme. But perhaps we shouldn't be too surprised. Gov. Jindal, you remember, once tried to perform an exorcism on a college gal pal."

Charter schools are proving to be a total disappointment.
 
She is flat out lying. Like I said, I live here and have never seen or heard any of it, not in local papers, not in person, nothing. Do you actually think you wouldn't see that in some form of media that's actually accredited if that were half true? It would be all over the place, so yes, MotherJones is lying.

I'm sorry, but that just ain't true. If you follow the link to the website set up by the guy who did the research on this, you'll find links to the websites of the 20 or so schools engaging in this crap. Here's one, for example:

Curriculum - Northeast Baptist School, West Monroe, LA - A Christian school for Monroe, West Monroe, and northeast Louisiana - Northeast Baptist School, West Monroe, LA - A Christian School for Monroe, West Monroe, and Northeast Louisiana

Note that the school actually says it's using the Bob Jones and ABeka materials that are quoted in the "wacky facts" list. I haven't looked at all of them, but that's one school at the very least, that is, in fact, going to be teaching bull**** to its students.

But don't take MotherJones' word for it. Here's the link they're citing: http://www.repealcreationism.com/69...m-before-governor-romney-takes-it-nationwide/
 
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She is flat out lying. Like I said, I live here and have never seen or heard any of it, not in local papers, not in person, nothing. Do you actually think you wouldn't see that in some form of media that's actually accredited if that were half true? It would be all over the place, so yes, MotherJones is lying.

Indiana has a tea party governor, too, and he advertised a charter school that's done on line, saying teachers talk to the students. It turned out to be a total lie. There's a skype talk maybe once a month with a teacher. Governors lie all the time for corporations. And these voucher schools are nothing more than corporations making a profit.
 
I'm sorry, but that just ain't true. If you follow the link to the website set up by the guy who did the research on this, you'll find links to the websites of the 20 or so schools engaging in this crap. Here's one, for example:

Curriculum - Northeast Baptist School, West Monroe, LA - A Christian school for Monroe, West Monroe, and northeast Louisiana - Northeast Baptist School, West Monroe, LA - A Christian School for Monroe, West Monroe, and Northeast Louisiana

Note that the school actually says it's using the Bob Jones and ABeka materials that are quoted in the "wacky facts" list. I haven't looked at all of them, but that's one school at the very least, that is, in fact, going to be teaching bull**** to its students.
First off, I just went through the school's curriculums and they are similar if not identical to the public equivalents. MotherJones if full of ****, and her sources are all partisan agendists. Change.org is not even close to an accredited source, and it further weakens the primary, face it, you don't like it because it supposedly weakens the NEA, you also don't like it because it's a Republican but realistically regardless of who is making this law it takes at risk students out of failing schools which teach the same thing that the public equivalents do.

Oh, and there is nothing in that curriculum overview which proves a thing. I have already stated that the parochials add a religious content period, that is where those books are in use. Anything else?
 
First off, I just went through the school's curriculums and they are similar if not identical to the public equivalents. MotherJones if full of ****, and her sources are all partisan agendists. Change.org is not even close to an accredited source, and it further weakens the primary, face it, you don't like it because it supposedly weakens the NEA, you also don't like it because it's a Republican but realistically regardless of who is making this law it takes at risk students out of failing schools which teach the same thing that the public equivalents do.

Oh, and there is nothing in that curriculum overview which proves a thing. I have already stated that the parochials add a religious content period, that is where those books are in use. Anything else?

Where's your proof it educates at risk children? Let's see the data.

Charter schools: Finding out the facts: At a glance

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Benefits for elementary school reading and middle school math. In one of Betts and Tang’s (2008) major conclusions, a majority of studies showed that charter schools performed better than traditional public school students in elementary school reading and middle school math. Similar results were found in the CREDO study. Where gains were evident, CREDO found, the success was generally in reading at the elementary school level and in reading and math at the middle school level.

Drawbacks in high school. Conversely, Betts and Tang found that charter schools underperform in math and reading at the high school level. The CREDO study also found no evidence of a net gain during high school. In addition, students in “multi-level” (i.e., K–8 or 7–12) charter schools underperformed counterparts from traditional public schools in both reading and math.

Some charters do better; the majority do the same or worse. CREDO also moved beyond individual student performance to examine the overall performance of charter schools across multiple subject areas. They found that while some charter schools do better than the traditional public schools that fed them, the majority do the same or worse. Almost one-fifth of charters (17 percent) performed significantly better (at the 95 percent confidence level) than the traditional public school. However, an even larger group of charters (37 percent) performed significantly worse in terms of reading and math. The remainder (46 percent) did not do significantly better or worse.

Results vary from state to state. Most studies found that performance varied based on students’ location. It is noteworthy to compare state-by-state achievement with data on public school authorizers, though no study has directly analyzed the two.

Conflicting results for specific groups. Few multi-site or multi-state studies examine how specific racial/ethnic groups perform in charter schools, and those that exist often show conflicting results.

Given the research base, any explanation of why some charters succeed and others don’t is speculative. A possible answer is that successful charter schools use strategies that research has proven are often effective—smaller schools, smaller class size, more school time, and greater parent involvement. It is not known whether hallmarks of charter schools—such as a lack of collective bargaining or greater autonomy—affect achievement. It is an area that should be researched.

Frederick Hess, education policy director at the American Enterprise Institute and a strong advocate for charter schools, notes that many charter sponsors rely on dedicated staff and a “missionary zeal” to succeed (Hess 2009). “The most successful charter ventures to date have been boutique-style operations that are extraordinarily reliant on talent and passion, philanthropic funding, and exhausting work schedules,” (Higgins and Hess 2009). Yet, he notes, the “means of bringing them to scale have been elusive.”

Charter schools across the nation

While charter school students enrolled just 3 percent of all public school students in 2008, the number of students (and schools) has risen dramatically in the past decade. In 1999, there were 1,542 charter schools with 349,642 students. By 2008, there were 4,618 charter schools with 1,407,817 students (National Alliance for Public Charter Schools 2009b).

As the enrollment numbers have grown, some in the education community have become concerned. The RAND Corporation’s study (Zimmer et al 2009) attempted to evaluate whether charter schools are “skimming” the best students from local traditional public schools or re-segregating urban schools. RAND analyzed the academic achievement and demographic characteristics of students transferring into charter schools and found:

Charter schools generally are not drawing the best students away from local traditional public schools. For example, previous test scores for students transferring into charter schools were near or below the averages for every location in the study. Only among white students did researchers find slightly higher test scores among those moving to charter schools.
The racial composition of charter schools was similar to that of the traditional public schools the students previously attended.


. . .

Still not up to par with public education, but the score card is not final,yet.
 
First off, I just went through the school's curriculums and they are similar if not identical to the public equivalents. MotherJones if full of ****, and her sources are all partisan agendists. Change.org is not even close to an accredited source, and it further weakens the primary, face it, you don't like it because it supposedly weakens the NEA, you also don't like it because it's a Republican but realistically regardless of who is making this law it takes at risk students out of failing schools which teach the same thing that the public equivalents do.

Oh, and there is nothing in that curriculum overview which proves a thing. I have already stated that the parochials add a religious content period, that is where those books are in use. Anything else?

Yes. Thank you for asking:

1) I have no problem with reducing the influence of the NEA, as I have numerous problems with how that organization operates. So please don't paw at me with your mindless assumptions. It just makes you sound like a partisan jackhole.

2) I don't have a problem with this because it's coming from a Republican administration, I have a problem with it because creationism has no place in science classes, and anyone who thinks otherwise is doing a disservice to the children subject to their thinking.

3) Are you denying:

a) That several of the listed schools explicitly state that they're using Bob Jones/ABeka materials, or
b) That those materials contain the quotes attributed to them?
 
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