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14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

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This is horrific.

I almost want to cry. My niece lives in Louisiana. She's very smart, so I would hate for her potential to be so severely limited by such a tragic excuse for an education.

I hope they move back to California soon. Ugh. This **** makes me mad.

14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools | Mother Jones
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"1. Dinosaurs and humans probably hung out: "Bible-believing Christians cannot accept any evolutionary interpretation. Dinosaurs and humans were definitely on the earth at the same time and may have even lived side by side within the past few thousand years."—Life Science, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2007


2. Dragons were totally real: "[Is] it possible that a fire-breathing animal really existed? Today some scientists are saying yes. They have found large chambers in certain dinosaur skulls…The large skull chambers could have contained special chemical-producing glands. When the animal forced the chemicals out of its mouth or nose, these substances may have combined and produced fire and smoke."—Life Science, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2007

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Whew! Seems extreme. But perhaps we shouldn't be too surprised. Gov. Jindal, you remember, once tried to perform an exorcism on a college gal pal."
 
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If she's attending one of these schools, the blame lies strictly with her parents-- this isn't the mainstream welfare school curriculum. If she isn't attending one of these schools, then their derp-faced stupidity isn't going to affect her.
 
So your Niece is going to a Christian private school?

I know the answer for the following but it appears you don't, does the LA voucher program mandate attendence to religioius school?
 
This is horrific.

I almost want to cry. My niece lives in Louisiana. She's very smart, so I would hate for her potential to be so severely limited by such a tragic excuse for an education.

I hope they move back to California soon. Ugh. This **** makes me mad.

14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools | Mother Jones

"1. Dinosaurs and humans probably hung out: "Bible-believing Christians cannot accept any evolutionary interpretation. Dinosaurs and humans were definitely on the earth at the same time and may have even lived side by side within the past few thousand years."—Life Science, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2007


2. Dragons were totally real: "[Is] it possible that a fire-breathing animal really existed? Today some scientists are saying yes. They have found large chambers in certain dinosaur skulls…The large skull chambers could have contained special chemical-producing glands. When the animal forced the chemicals out of its mouth or nose, these substances may have combined and produced fire and smoke."—Life Science, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2007

3. "God used the Trail of Tears to bring many Indians to Christ."—America: Land That I Love, Teacher ed., A Beka Book, 1994

4. Africa needs religion: "Africa is a continent with many needs. It is still in need of the gospel…Only about ten percent of Africans can read and write. In some areas the mission schools have been shut down by Communists who have taken over the government."—Old World History and Geography in Christian Perspective, 3rd ed., A Beka Book, 2004

The literacy rate in Africa is "only about 10 percent"--give or take a few dozen percentage points.

5. Slave masters were nice guys: "A few slave holders were undeniably cruel. Examples of slaves beaten to death were not common, neither were they unknown. The majority of slave holders treated their slaves well."—United States History for Christian Schools, 2nd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 1991

6. The KKK was A-OK: "[The Ku Klux] Klan in some areas of the country tried to be a means of reform, fighting the decline in morality and using the symbol of the cross. Klan targets were bootleggers, wife-beaters, and immoral movies. In some communities it achieved a certain respectability as it worked with politicians."—United States History for Christian Schools, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2001

7. The Great Depression wasn't as bad as the liberals made it sound: "Perhaps the best known work of propaganda to come from the Depression was John Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath…Other forms of propaganda included rumors of mortgage foreclosures, mass evictions, and hunger riots and exaggerated statistics representing the number of unemployed and homeless people in America."—United States History: Heritage of Freedom, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1996


8. SCOTUS enslaved fetuses: "Ignoring 3,500 years of Judeo-Christian civilization, religion, morality, and law, the Burger Court held that an unborn child was not a living person but rather the "property" of the mother (much like slaves were considered property in the 1857 case of Dred Scott v. Sandford)."—American Government in Christian Perspective, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1997

9. The Red Scare isn't over yet: "It is no wonder that Satan hates the family and has hurled his venom against it in the form of Communism."— American Government in Christian Perspective, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1997

Meanwhile, God sneezes glitter snot in the form of Capitalism.

10. Mark Twain and Emily Dickinson were a couple of hacks: "[Mark] Twain's outlook was both self-centered and ultimately hopeless…Twain's skepticism was clearly not the honest questioning of a seeker of truth but the deliberate defiance of a confessed rebel."—Elements of Literature for Christian Schools, Bob Jones University, 2001

"Several of [Emily Dickinson's] poems show a presumptuous attitude concerning her eternal destiny and a veiled disrespect for authority in general. Throughout her life she viewed salvation as a gamble, not a certainty. Although she did view the Bible as a source of poetic inspiration, she never accepted it as an inerrant guide to life."—Elements of Literature for Christian Schools, Bob Jones University, 2001

11. Abstract algebra is too dang complicated: "Unlike the 'modern math' theorists, who believe that mathematics is a creation of man and thus arbitrary and relative, A Beka Book teaches that the laws of mathematics are a creation of God and thus absolute…A Beka Book provides attractive, legible, and workable traditional mathematics texts that are not burdened with modern theories such as set theory."—ABeka.com

12. Gay people "have no more claims to special rights than child molesters or rapists."—Teacher's Resource Guide to Current Events for Christian Schools, 1998-1999, Bob Jones University Press, 1998

13. "Global environmentalists have said and written enough to leave no doubt that their goal is to destroy the prosperous economies of the world's richest nations."—Economics: Work and Prosperity in Christian Perspective, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1999

14. Globalization is a precursor to rapture: "But instead of this world unification ushering in an age of prosperity and peace, as most globalists believe it will, it will be a time of unimaginable human suffering as recorded in God's Word. The Anti-christ will tightly regulate who may buy and sell."—Economics: Work and Prosperity in Christian Perspective, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1999


Whew! Seems extreme. But perhaps we shouldn't be too surprised. Gov. Jindal, you remember, once tried to perform an exorcism on a college gal pal."

Holy Jesus tapdancing raptor christ
 
This is horrific.

I almost want to cry. My niece lives in Louisiana. She's very smart, so I would hate for her potential to be so severely limited by such a tragic excuse for an education.

I hope they move back to California soon. Ugh. This **** makes me mad.

14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools | Mother Jones

"1. Dinosaurs and humans probably hung out: "Bible-believing Christians cannot accept any evolutionary interpretation. Dinosaurs and humans were definitely on the earth at the same time and may have even lived side by side within the past few thousand years."—Life Science, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2007


2. Dragons were totally real: "[Is] it possible that a fire-breathing animal really existed? Today some scientists are saying yes. They have found large chambers in certain dinosaur skulls…The large skull chambers could have contained special chemical-producing glands. When the animal forced the chemicals out of its mouth or nose, these substances may have combined and produced fire and smoke."—Life Science, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2007

3. "God used the Trail of Tears to bring many Indians to Christ."—America: Land That I Love, Teacher ed., A Beka Book, 1994

4. Africa needs religion: "Africa is a continent with many needs. It is still in need of the gospel…Only about ten percent of Africans can read and write. In some areas the mission schools have been shut down by Communists who have taken over the government."—Old World History and Geography in Christian Perspective, 3rd ed., A Beka Book, 2004

The literacy rate in Africa is "only about 10 percent"--give or take a few dozen percentage points.

5. Slave masters were nice guys: "A few slave holders were undeniably cruel. Examples of slaves beaten to death were not common, neither were they unknown. The majority of slave holders treated their slaves well."—United States History for Christian Schools, 2nd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 1991

6. The KKK was A-OK: "[The Ku Klux] Klan in some areas of the country tried to be a means of reform, fighting the decline in morality and using the symbol of the cross. Klan targets were bootleggers, wife-beaters, and immoral movies. In some communities it achieved a certain respectability as it worked with politicians."—United States History for Christian Schools, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2001

7. The Great Depression wasn't as bad as the liberals made it sound: "Perhaps the best known work of propaganda to come from the Depression was John Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath…Other forms of propaganda included rumors of mortgage foreclosures, mass evictions, and hunger riots and exaggerated statistics representing the number of unemployed and homeless people in America."—United States History: Heritage of Freedom, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1996


8. SCOTUS enslaved fetuses: "Ignoring 3,500 years of Judeo-Christian civilization, religion, morality, and law, the Burger Court held that an unborn child was not a living person but rather the "property" of the mother (much like slaves were considered property in the 1857 case of Dred Scott v. Sandford)."—American Government in Christian Perspective, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1997

9. The Red Scare isn't over yet: "It is no wonder that Satan hates the family and has hurled his venom against it in the form of Communism."— American Government in Christian Perspective, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1997

Meanwhile, God sneezes glitter snot in the form of Capitalism.

10. Mark Twain and Emily Dickinson were a couple of hacks: "[Mark] Twain's outlook was both self-centered and ultimately hopeless…Twain's skepticism was clearly not the honest questioning of a seeker of truth but the deliberate defiance of a confessed rebel."—Elements of Literature for Christian Schools, Bob Jones University, 2001

"Several of [Emily Dickinson's] poems show a presumptuous attitude concerning her eternal destiny and a veiled disrespect for authority in general. Throughout her life she viewed salvation as a gamble, not a certainty. Although she did view the Bible as a source of poetic inspiration, she never accepted it as an inerrant guide to life."—Elements of Literature for Christian Schools, Bob Jones University, 2001

11. Abstract algebra is too dang complicated: "Unlike the 'modern math' theorists, who believe that mathematics is a creation of man and thus arbitrary and relative, A Beka Book teaches that the laws of mathematics are a creation of God and thus absolute…A Beka Book provides attractive, legible, and workable traditional mathematics texts that are not burdened with modern theories such as set theory."—ABeka.com

12. Gay people "have no more claims to special rights than child molesters or rapists."—Teacher's Resource Guide to Current Events for Christian Schools, 1998-1999, Bob Jones University Press, 1998

13. "Global environmentalists have said and written enough to leave no doubt that their goal is to destroy the prosperous economies of the world's richest nations."—Economics: Work and Prosperity in Christian Perspective, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1999

14. Globalization is a precursor to rapture: "But instead of this world unification ushering in an age of prosperity and peace, as most globalists believe it will, it will be a time of unimaginable human suffering as recorded in God's Word. The Anti-christ will tightly regulate who may buy and sell."—Economics: Work and Prosperity in Christian Perspective, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1999


Whew! Seems extreme. But perhaps we shouldn't be too surprised. Gov. Jindal, you remember, once tried to perform an exorcism on a college gal pal."

Sounds like nothing more than a left wing smear attack against private schools.If you are going to smear private schools then you should actually post something credible and real. You were duped.

Besides that this is not a mainstream news source nor is this breaking news seeing how the article is dated Aug 7.
 
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We all know that Mother "missing two minutes" Jones wouldn't spin this story at 5k rpm.
 
We all know that Mother "missing two minutes" Jones wouldn't spin this story at 5k rpm.

And we all know that conservatives are bitter that their candidate was caught with his pants down... again.
 
Agreed that a credible source should be used.

I have a niece and a nephew who due to my bother-in-law's job had to attend Louisiana public schools for awhile. After they returned to Texas, they were way behind in the Texas schools. The La. schools, for my niece, were covering things that she had already covered two years previously in Texas. Thankfully for her and my nephew, her parents were able to move back to Texas before she graduated.

La. public schools have been at the bottom of the education rankings for a very longtime. Jindal is trying very hard to fix that, but moving an entrenched bureaucracy is no easy task. While he is trying to make changes, he has pushed for charter schools. The Teachers Union there have fought continuously against many of his reforms, including charter schools, since the publication Mother Jones is clearly a liberal source, liberals support/promote unions, it is not surprising to see them publishing negative articles about Jindal's reforms.

Jindal's other efforts have included taking control of schools that repeatedly fail standards from independent districts and establishing standards for teachers. Both has met with stiff resistance from Teachers Unions. To improve a school, one has to get rid of the non-effective teachers and keep the effective ones, however, Unions hate the idea of being graded on and having their jobs hinge on actual performance than on tenure. Teachers have also riled against setting standards that they have to meet.

My view on is that apparently the teachers union and their liberal backers would rather keep the states education system depressed to almost uselessness and near the bottom of education in the US than to make reasonable changes to improve education if it cost Union Jobs. The Union there has taken many steps, including propaganda, to fight against charter schools because the charter school teachers are mostly not members of the union and the union sees it as taking jobs away from union members. They are probably right about that, but considering the quality and ranking of education in their state, it probably really needs to be done.

To the OP, wishing them to move from La. to Cali may not be as good as you think. Cali is ranked 30th for education and a charter school in La. may (or may not) actually provide your niece with a better education than she could get from Cali public schools.
 
Is this REALLY any worse than the crap children are taught, and not taught in our public schools today? I don't think so.
 
And we all know that conservatives are bitter that their candidate was caught with his pants down... again.

We don't know if he did, or not, because MJ is missing two minutes of the speech. What "two minutes" are missing from this story?

It's clearly an attack on Christianity. Maybe Louisiana should start burning **** down?
 
Much ado about nothing. If they can get out of high school reading and spelling near a 12th grade level, speak and write proper english and perform basic math it is a win. The article can only identify 19 of over 100 schools that MAY teach creationism. It is a very small part of science that will be of little consequence. It doesn't change anything about the periodic table. You don't get to control everything that people learn or want to believe. And most of it will pass as people grow in their education. I know kids now that steadfastly believe in creationism despite what they are being taught in school. Other kids will just as steadfastly not believe in creationism even if it is taught.
 
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If she's attending one of these schools, the blame lies strictly with her parents-- this isn't the mainstream welfare school curriculum. If she isn't attending one of these schools, then their derp-faced stupidity isn't going to affect her.

Well, there are various effects, Viktyr. There'll be more poorly-educated kids in Louisiana, which has enacted the broadest voucher system in the country. The tax dollars of people who accept that science is science, history is history and religion is religion will be used for a purpose they aren't comfortable with. And the kids who are actually taught science and history will spend time with kids who aren't, leading to more social divisiveness.
 
Agreed that a credible source should be used.

I have a niece and a nephew who due to my bother-in-law's job had to attend Louisiana public schools for awhile. After they returned to Texas, they were way behind in the Texas schools. The La. schools, for my niece, were covering things that she had already covered two years previously in Texas. Thankfully for her and my nephew, her parents were able to move back to Texas before she graduated.

La. public schools have been at the bottom of the education rankings for a very longtime. Jindal is trying very hard to fix that, but moving an entrenched bureaucracy is no easy task. While he is trying to make changes, he has pushed for charter schools. The Teachers Union there have fought continuously against many of his reforms, including charter schools, since the publication Mother Jones is clearly a liberal source, liberals support/promote unions, it is not surprising to see them publishing negative articles about Jindal's reforms.

Jindal's other efforts have included taking control of schools that repeatedly fail standards from independent districts and establishing standards for teachers. Both has met with stiff resistance from Teachers Unions. To improve a school, one has to get rid of the non-effective teachers and keep the effective ones, however, Unions hate the idea of being graded on and having their jobs hinge on actual performance than on tenure. Teachers have also riled against setting standards that they have to meet.

My view on is that apparently the teachers union and their liberal backers would rather keep the states education system depressed to almost uselessness and near the bottom of education in the US than to make reasonable changes to improve education if it cost Union Jobs. The Union there has taken many steps, including propaganda, to fight against charter schools because the charter school teachers are mostly not members of the union and the union sees it as taking jobs away from union members. They are probably right about that, but considering the quality and ranking of education in their state, it probably really needs to be done.

To the OP, wishing them to move from La. to Cali may not be as good as you think. Cali is ranked 30th for education and a charter school in La. may (or may not) actually provide your niece with a better education than she could get from Cali public schools.

My reaction has nothing to do with unions. It has to do with using taxpayer dollars to teach children that "Africa needs more religion" or that "slaveowners were kind".

I grew up in a rustbelt city with a long tradition of parallel school systems, public and parochial (Catholic). There were extremely strict limits on using any taxpayer dollars for any religious activity, religious instruction, etc.

What has happened to these kind of limits? And why is Louisiana blessing any science textbook that teaches bad science?
 
We don't know if he did, or not, because MJ is missing two minutes of the speech. What "two minutes" are missing from this story?

It's clearly an attack on Christianity. Maybe Louisiana should start burning **** down?

How is promoting this kind of nonsense "an attack on christianity"?
 
My reaction has nothing to do with unions. It has to do with using taxpayer dollars to teach children that "Africa needs more religion" or that "slaveowners were kind".

I grew up in a rustbelt city with a long tradition of parallel school systems, public and parochial (Catholic). There were extremely strict limits on using any taxpayer dollars for any religious activity, religious instruction, etc.

What has happened to these kind of limits? And why is Louisiana blessing any science textbook that teaches bad science?

I believe slave owners were kind. They had quite an investment in their slaves. They were valuable assets. I think the majority of slave owners probably did not abuse their slaves any more than they would abuse their horses.
 
Much ado about nothing. If they can get out of high school reading and spelling near a 12th grade level, speak and write proper english and perform basic math it is a win. The article can only identify 19 of over 100 schools that MAY teach creationism. It is a very small part of science that will be of little consequence. It doesn't change anything about the periodic table. You don't get to control everything that people learn or want to believe. And most of it will pass as people grow in their education. I know kids now that steadfastly believe in creationism despite what they are being taught in school. Other kids will just as steadfastly not believe in creationism even if it is taught.

It's only "much ado about nothing" if freedom of religion has lost all value for you.
 
I believe slave owners were kind. They had quite an investment in their slaves. They were valuable assets. I think the majority of slave owners probably did not abuse their slaves any more than they would abuse their horses.

I have no idea what your idea of "kind" might be, but mine does not include kidnapping, breaking families apart, forcing people to work like dogs for no pay, nevermind killing those who tried to escape.
 
I have no idea what your idea of "kind" might be, but mine does not include kidnapping, breaking families apart, forcing people to work like dogs for no pay, nevermind killing those who tried to escape.

Kidnapping, breaking families apart and punishing those who try to escape is part of slavery's bones, so to speak. I'm referring to how they were treated on the plantations who bought them. Unless owners were psychotic, they didn't destroy the very people they viewed as valuable assets. JMVHO.
 
How is promoting this kind of nonsense "an attack on christianity"?

The article cherry picks fringe comments and tries to associate it with private schools.The article doesn't mention where in the text book those comments are from and what schools actually use those text books.
 
We all know that Mother "missing two minutes" Jones wouldn't spin this story at 5k rpm.

It seems they are attributing direct quotes to the textbooks they are mentioning (granted I do not have a copy of the textbooks referenced to check for myself - but if these attributed quotes are inaccurate, then would there not be libel issues to contend with?).

So here put on your thinking cap, and see if you can come up with any way to provide context that would make this not seem so idiotic and not imply that humans and dinosaurs roamed the earth in tandem.

"Bible-believing Christians cannot accept any evolutionary interpretation. Dinosaurs and humans were definitely on the earth at the same time and may have even lived side by side within the past few thousand years."

granted it is only a handful of schools apparently teaching this, but that is a handful too many.

edit: just noticed this textbook was published 4 years ago.. but if it is a future addition I highly doubt that they changed their stance or their information on this topic that substantially, they still will likely push that "evolutionary teachings" are unacceptable.
 
Kidnapping, breaking families apart and punishing those who try to escape is part of slavery's bones, so to speak. I'm referring to how they were treated on the plantations who bought them. Unless owners were psychotic, they didn't destroy the very people they viewed as valuable assets.JMVHO.

Sure, they could have been treated well, after the fact, but they were still kidnapped and families were still broken apart. That doesn't sound like something a kind human being does.
 
Firstly,

In my government school, I learned that all Muslims are required by their faith to want to wage war against Christianity and take over the world through Jihad. I also learned that Republicans wanted to control everyones' lives, while Democrats just wanted to take care of the poor. etc. and so forth. You've managed to pull 14 "facts" out of an entire state and furthermore...


5. Slave masters were nice guys: "A few slave holders were undeniably cruel. Examples of slaves beaten to death were not common, neither were they unknown. The majority of slave holders treated their slaves well."—United States History for Christian Schools, 2nd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 1991

6. The KKK was A-OK: "[The Ku Klux] Klan in some areas of the country tried to be a means of reform, fighting the decline in morality and using the symbol of the cross. Klan targets were bootleggers, wife-beaters, and immoral movies. In some communities it achieved a certain respectability as it worked with politicians."—United States History for Christian Schools, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2001

7. The Great Depression wasn't as bad as the liberals made it sound: "Perhaps the best known work of propaganda to come from the Depression was John Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath…Other forms of propaganda included rumors of mortgage foreclosures, mass evictions, and hunger riots and exaggerated statistics representing the number of unemployed and homeless people in America."—United States History: Heritage of Freedom, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1996

10. Mark Twain and Emily Dickinson were a couple of hacks: "[Mark] Twain's outlook was both self-centered and ultimately hopeless…Twain's skepticism was clearly not the honest questioning of a seeker of truth but the deliberate defiance of a confessed rebel."—Elements of Literature for Christian Schools, Bob Jones University, 2001

"Several of [Emily Dickinson's] poems show a presumptuous attitude concerning her eternal destiny and a veiled disrespect for authority in general. Throughout her life she viewed salvation as a gamble, not a certainty. Although she did view the Bible as a source of poetic inspiration, she never accepted it as an inerrant guide to life."—Elements of Literature for Christian Schools, Bob Jones University, 2001

12. Gay people "have no more claims to special rights than child molesters or rapists."—Teacher's Resource Guide to Current Events for Christian Schools, 1998-1999, Bob Jones University Press, 1998

Your fact-checker apparently sucks because these things are accurate

8. SCOTUS enslaved fetuses: "Ignoring 3,500 years of Judeo-Christian civilization, religion, morality, and law, the Burger Court held that an unborn child was not a living person but rather the "property" of the mother (much like slaves were considered property in the 1857 case of Dred Scott v. Sandford)."—American Government in Christian Perspective, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1997

11. Abstract algebra is too dang complicated: "Unlike the 'modern math' theorists, who believe that mathematics is a creation of man and thus arbitrary and relative, A Beka Book teaches that the laws of mathematics are a creation of God and thus absolute…A Beka Book provides attractive, legible, and workable traditional mathematics texts that are not burdened with modern theories such as set theory."—ABeka.com

13. "Global environmentalists have said and written enough to leave no doubt that their goal is to destroy the prosperous economies of the world's richest nations."—Economics: Work and Prosperity in Christian Perspective, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1999

And these things have evidence behind them but are debateable.
 
I have no idea what your idea of "kind" might be, but mine does not include kidnapping, breaking families apart, forcing people to work like dogs for no pay, nevermind killing those who tried to escape.

American slave owners did not travel to Africa or anywhere else to kidnap anyone. They bought their slaves at market. If you want to blame someone for kidnapping, blame the Dutch and the Africans themselves who sold other tribes to the slavers.

Maggie has a point and she's not talking up slavery. She's trying to get through to those with a public school education that the matter was more complex and the conditions different than the pap they push. Slavery is bad M'Kay.

Slaves were an investment, a piece of valuable property. And btw, while all this was happening, children and people who owed money in the North were worked like dogs for less pay and worse conditions than most slaves faced on the plantations.
 
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