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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    they were treated like prized possessions(and not abused)... and no, that doesn't detract from them being slaves ( which all agree is
    Can't agree on this statement, though.

    Some were likely treated "kindly," probably very few were treated like prize possessions, and likely quite a few were mistreated/raped/beaten/whipped/chained/etc.

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

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    How is that even relevant to the discussion at hand, Hatuey?

    If memory serves, I believe you're partaking in the "Red Herring" logical fallacy.
    This is exactly where I wanted you. The "fact" that a few insignificant times the KKK may have helped some people in communities is in and of itself a red herring in a history where the majority of its acts were guided towards terrorism of their communities. So what is the relevance of saying that the KKK helped people sometimes when the overwhelming majority of the time they were out committing terrorism? None. It's a red herring itself.

    Glad you played the game of historical relevance.
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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This is exactly where I wanted you. The "fact" that a few insignificant times the KKK may have helped some people in communities is in and of itself a red herring in a history where the majority of its acts were guided towards terrorism of their communities.

    Glad you played the game of historical relevance.
    To be blunt if you're going to treat debate and discussion like some sort of game then it likely isn't worth continuing this discussion with you.

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Can't agree on this statement, though.

    Some were likely treated "kindly," probably very few were treated like prize possessions, and likely quite a few were mistreated/raped/beaten/whipped/chained/etc.
    never said otherwise....

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    "sounds like to me".. that says it all right there, bruddaman

    Maggie is correct when she stated they were treated like prized possessions(and not abused)... and no, that doesn't detract from them being slaves ( which all agree is abhorrent)
    anyone here can state facts about slavery and still hold that slavery was evil and a scourge upon mankind( that is still ongoing).
    one does not need to be dishonest in order to find slavery to be evil.. it's evil on it's merits alone.
    Ah, it doesn't detract, even if it she claims slave owners were kind even if they were - gasp - slave owners. Do you even realize the kind of zero you'd have to divide by in order to excuse the fact that a person who is committing an evil act is not evil because they say please and thank you? Slavery was evil, people who partook in it were evil regardless of how polite they were and how well fed they kept property.

    ) why would I change my lean?... I abhor slavery...oh sure, i know you are trying to paint me as a slavery supporter, but that just speaks to your habitual dishonesty.
    Awww how cute, the libertaria doesn't like being called out. I'm showing you are an apologist. You excuse the evils of slavery with red herrings and distortions of slavery conditions.
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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I believe slave owners were kind. They had quite an investment in their slaves. They were valuable assets. I think the majority of slave owners probably did not abuse their slaves any more than they would abuse their horses.
    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Kidnapping, breaking families apart and punishing those who try to escape is part of slavery's bones, so to speak. I'm referring to how they were treated on the plantations who bought them. Unless owners were psychotic, they didn't destroy the very people they viewed as valuable assets. JMVHO.
    The slaves were necessary for the work needing to be done through slavery... but there was undoubtedly much room for mistreatment and cruelty of these slaves as well. Slaves were treated as 2nd-class citizens, if that. They were worked very hard, fed little, and their lives were generally miserable.

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    To be blunt if you're going to treat debate and discussion like some sort of game then it likely isn't worth continuing this discussion with you.
    It's okay if you don't like getting logically exposed Wake. You're not really much of a history inclined debater anyways.
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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ah, it doesn't detract, even if it she claims slave owners were kind even if they were - gasp - slave owners. Do you even realize the kind of zero you'd have to divide by in order to excuse the fact that a person who is committing an evil act is not evil because they say please and thank you? Slavery was evil, people who partook in it were evil regardless of how polite they were and how well fed they kept other human beings.
    yes, slavery was evil... and slaveowners were evil for owning slaves.... I think we can all agree on that.
    why must we lie about their treatment of their slaves though?... why is it necessary to be dishonest?


    Awww how cute, the authoritarian doesn't like being called out.
    no, I just don't like people lying about me.... sorry to inform you, but you do it a lot dude.. honesty is simply not your strong suit.

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    yes, slavery was evil... and slaveowners were evil for owning slaves.... I think we can all agree on that.
    why must we lie about their treatment of their slaves though?... why is it necessary to be dishonest?
    Their treatment? You mean the destruction of family ties, being bred like animals and treated as cattle wasn't horrible enough?

    no, I just don't like people lying about me.... sorry to inform you, but you do it a lot dude.. honesty is simply not your strong suit.
    Ah complaining about your position is not my fault.
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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Their treatment? You mean the destruction of family ties, being bred like animals and treated as cattle wasn't horrible enough?
    those are indeed horrible things.... so i guess i now have to believe all were beaten,abused, or killed...right?


    Ah complaining about your position is not my fault.
    you can complain about my positions all day long... but you may not assign a position to me that i do not hold, then complain about it.
    honesty 101... learn it.

    sorry you take offense to me correcting your lies about me... but it will continue until you decide not to tell lies.... you clear on that?

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