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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Try learning the definitions of apologetic before you debate "logic":

    a·pol·o·get·ic (-pl-jtk) also a·pol·o·get·i·cal (--kl)
    adj.
    1. Offering or expressing an apology or excuse: an apologetic note; an apologetic smile.
    2. Self-deprecating; humble: an apologetic manner.
    3. Serving as or containing a formal justification or defense: an apologetic treatise on church doctrine.

    MaggieD most certainly provided an excuse for why slavery wasn't all 'that bad' even though it's been widely accepted that the effects of slavery rank up there with the holocaust and the extermination of native americans.
    your inferences do not mean much to anyone else.

    I didn't see her as apologizing for slavery whatsoever.... you did.

    I think she would agree that slavery was , indeed, very evil... and I think she can also state facts such as not all slaves were abused.

    I think it's a testament to you character ( more accurately, lack of character) that you would try to stick her with the label of "slavery apologist".. you oughta be ashamed of yourself

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Good to hear. There's also some historical truth in saying not all Nazis were for the extermination of Jews. However, we all know what Nazis were known for. So introducing that 'historical truth' as anything other than the 3rd equivalent of a fun fact is outright dishonest.
    no, it's not dishonest... not all Nazis were supportive of the extermination of Jews... that's just a fact.

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Fruityfact View Post
    If people want to ignore the past..fine by me..it happened. You'd wonder why they are called Slaves--it doesn't have a positive connotation what-so-ever

    true.. it happened... and true ,slavery is bad ( I don't think " bad" is a strong enough word, actually)

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Good to hear. There's also some historical truth in saying not all Nazis were for the extermination of Jews. However, we all know what Nazis were known for. So introducing that 'historical truth' as anything other than the 3rd equivalent of a fun fact is outright dishonest.
    Speaking the truth isn't dishonest, Hatuey. The article makes it seem as though point #6 is factually wrong, even though it's historically true. Likewise when it comes to NAZI's there were quite a few that were against Hitler and his actions. The movie Valkyrie is one good exaple of this, and there were supposedly 42-43 failed assassination attempts on Hitler's life. There is absolutely nothing dishonest about stating the entire truth, instead of stating a group was 100% all bad or all good.

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I distrust the article. This article is a smear-article from the partisan Left. If people are to take this "issue" seriously, please provide evidence from sources that are far more objective and respectful.
    Not to mention it is very limited in scope and examples and in no way proves that these few cases are or are not endemic in the system itself. We are given 14 "facts" of individual instances in a much larger system. Obviously, the intent is for people to apply it to the entire system, but the article simply does not provide any evidence that it is endemic.
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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    your inferences do not mean much to anyone else.

    I didn't see her as apologizing for slavery whatsoever.... you did.

    I think she would agree that slavery was , indeed, very evil... and I think she can also state facts such as not all slaves were abused.

    I think it's a testament to you character ( more accurately, lack of character) that you would try to stick her with the label of "slavery apologist".. you oughta be ashamed of yourself
    Oh no? Here:

    I believe slave owners were kind. They had quite an investment in their slaves. They were valuable assets. I think the majority of slave owners probably did not abuse their slaves any more than they would abuse their horses.
    Sounds like an apologetic to me and the 3 other people who thanked my reply to her (including MaggieD) herself. Now you can try and complain all day that you aren't downplaying slavery by saying that slaveowners were 'kind'. Whatever that means. However, the fact remains you are just as if you tried to downplay a wife beater by highlighting all his other qualities. None of which do away from the fact that he's still a wife beater and a slaveowner is still a slaveowner at the end of the day regardless of how many rations of food he allows his slaves.

    Aren't you a Libertarian? It's funny how you all of a sudden forget the fact that slave owners denied people of freedom with government help. Change your lean to authoritarian maybe?
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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Not to mention it is very limited in scope and examples and in no way proves that these few cases are or are not endemic in the system itself. We are given 14 "facts" of individual instances in a much larger system. Obviously, the intent is for people to apply it to the entire system, but the article simply does not provide any evidence that it is endemic.
    This is true as well.

    It's a just a hit-piece by the partisan Left.

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Speaking the truth isn't dishonest, Hatuey. The article makes it seem as though point #6 is factually wrong, even though it's historically true. Likewise when it comes to NAZI's there were quite a few that were against Hitler and his actions. The movie Valkyrie is one good exaple of this, and there were supposedly 42-43 failed assassination attempts on Hitler's life. There is absolutely nothing dishonest about stating the entire truth, instead of stating a group was 100% all bad or all good.
    Ah good, so I guess I'll see you ranting less about the Black Panthers from now on seeing as how the truth is that they're aren't all racist?
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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ah good, so I guess I'll see you ranting less about the Black Panthers from now on seeing as how the truth is that they're aren't all racist?
    How is that even relevant to the discussion at hand, Hatuey?

    If memory serves, I believe you're partaking in the "Red Herring" logical fallacy.

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

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    Sounds like an apologetic to me and the 3 other people who thanked my reply to her (including MaggieD) herself. Now you can try and complain all day that you aren't downplaying slavery by saying that slaveowners were 'kind'. Whatever that means. However, the fact remains you are just as if you tried to downplay a wife beater by highlighting all his other qualities. None of which do away from the fact that he's still a wife beater and a slaveowner is still a slaveowner at the end of the day regardless of how many rations of food he allows his slaves.
    "sounds like to me".. that says it all right there, bruddaman

    Maggie is correct when she stated they were treated like prized possessions(and not abused)... and no, that doesn't detract from them being slaves ( which all agree is abhorrent)
    anyone here can state facts about slavery and still hold that slavery was evil and a scourge upon mankind( that is still ongoing).
    one does not need to be dishonest in order to find slavery to be evil.. it's evil on it's merits alone.

    Aren't you a Libertarian? It's funny how you all of a sudden forget the fact that slave owners denied people of freedom with government help. Change your lean to authoritarian maybe? :
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    why would I change my lean?... I abhor slavery...oh sure, i know you are trying to paint me as a slavery supporter, but that just speaks to your habitual dishonesty.

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