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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Yes, so long as the government treats all religious institutions equally and they adhere to academic standards. My main point though is that the curriculum people are trying to pass of as terrible or stupid actually did prepare me very well for what I would experience on the ACT and in college.
    How is teaching kids that humans and dinosaurs lived at the same time "meeting academic standards", digsbe?

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    These are NOT private schools, they are paid for with public funds. They are also clearly in violation of our laws against teaching religion in publicly funded schools. They should be shut down.
    Charter schools ARE public schools. But what is at discussion here is the ability to use vouchers for any school that meets the states requirements for educational institutions, public or private, even if that private school is religious.

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    How is teaching kids that humans and dinosaurs lived at the same time "meeting academic standards", digsbe?
    How is teaching kids the false nonsense we teach them about history in public schools "meeting academic standards"? Those standards are set by the states. Disagree with the standards all you want, but that does nothing to rebut the equal treatment argument.

    Now, personally I wouldn't enroll my grandchildren in a school that teaches such crap. That could be why I pay for their private schooling.

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    How is teaching kids the false nonsense we teach them about history in public schools "meeting academic standards"? Those standards are set by the states. Disagree with the standards all you want, but that does nothing to rebut the equal treatment argument.

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    I can't make sense of this post, clownboy. Could you elaborate?

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    How is teaching kids that humans and dinosaurs lived at the same time "meeting academic standards", digsbe?
    It taught everything I needed to know. There was literally only 1 chapter that focused on both the creationist viewpoint and the evolutionary viewpoint. They discussed how "dinosaurs" may be creatures like the leviathan that was referenced in Job. The OP is a spin job that was created to make the curriculum appear devoid of all facts. The curriculum for the different sciences taught me what I needed to know and personally I think they were better than what most of my publicly schooled friends received.
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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It taught everything I needed to know. There was literally only 1 chapter that focused on both the creationist viewpoint and the evolutionary viewpoint. They discussed how "dinosaurs" may be creatures like the leviathan that was referenced in Job. The OP is a spin job that was created to make the curriculum appear devoid of all facts. The curriculum for the different sciences taught me what I needed to know and personally I think they were better than what most of my publicly schooled friends received.
    So, not only do you not think there should be any limits on how a private school uses taxpayer money, you also don't think there should be any objective standards as to what a child is taught?

    (I'm inferring here....I doubt you think any such thing.)

    In addition to the limits on private school use of taxpayer money that existed when I was a child, there was also a state-wide exam, per subject, per year which a student had to pass in order to receive a Regent's diploma. Students who failed or didn't take the required courses could still get a diploma, but as a rule you couldn't get into college without the Regent's one.

    I understand that public education is terrible and something must be done, but it seems to me we are throwing the baby out with the bathwater if we make no effort to restrict the use of public funds.

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    [COLOR="#cc0066"]Gee, james, I'm not sure what sort of context could provide cover for an outright lie such as "dinosaurs and humans lived together". Maybe you can explain that to me.
    Teaching what some Christians do or do not believe.

    And BTW, I don't see these kind of beliefs as "christian".
    Which is why I said in my first post in this thread that the article is a left wing attempt to smear private schools..
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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The article cherry picks fringe comments and tries to associate it with private schools.The article doesn't mention where in the text book those comments are from and what schools actually use those text books.
    You might this article from the month earlier than the OP's linked one "interesting":

    Louisiana Gives Us a Taste of Mitt Romney's Education Policy | Mother Jones

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I was homeschooled and taught science in HS using the Bob Jones University Press books. I scored a 35 on the science section in the ACT, earned a bachelors in Molecular Biology, scored a 96% in the biology section on the PCAT (top 3% in the nation) as well as being selected to work on a research project and presenting my research twice while winning a 1st place award for best paper presentation at one of the meetings. I am now working on a doctorate (doctor of pharmacy). I think I turned out fine with a strong science background coming out of high school.
    No offense to you as a person , but its a sign of how bad our educational standards are that you managed to get a university degree in biology when only a year ago you denied the validity of evolution. You even bought into some nonsense about "15 questions that evolution can't answer" that should have been basic knowledge from your coursework. I desperately hope that you at least are willing to accept the evolution of bacterial anti-biotic resistance if you ever have to apply your schooling in reality.

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    So, even if all the kids in religious schools have similar excellent outcomes, do you think it's appropriate for tax money to be used to pay for their education?
    People are compelled by force of law, to pay taxes for these things.
    Whether or not they use or significantly benefit from these tax benefits.

    It's only fair to allow people to choose how their children are educated, as long as it doesn't violate same basic humane and educational principles.
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