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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    How is promoting this kind of nonsense "an attack on christianity"?
    The article cherry picks fringe comments and tries to associate it with private schools.The article doesn't mention where in the text book those comments are from and what schools actually use those text books.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We all know that Mother "missing two minutes" Jones wouldn't spin this story at 5k rpm.
    It seems they are attributing direct quotes to the textbooks they are mentioning (granted I do not have a copy of the textbooks referenced to check for myself - but if these attributed quotes are inaccurate, then would there not be libel issues to contend with?).

    So here put on your thinking cap, and see if you can come up with any way to provide context that would make this not seem so idiotic and not imply that humans and dinosaurs roamed the earth in tandem.

    "Bible-believing Christians cannot accept any evolutionary interpretation. Dinosaurs and humans were definitely on the earth at the same time and may have even lived side by side within the past few thousand years."

    granted it is only a handful of schools apparently teaching this, but that is a handful too many.

    edit: just noticed this textbook was published 4 years ago.. but if it is a future addition I highly doubt that they changed their stance or their information on this topic that substantially, they still will likely push that "evolutionary teachings" are unacceptable.
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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Kidnapping, breaking families apart and punishing those who try to escape is part of slavery's bones, so to speak. I'm referring to how they were treated on the plantations who bought them. Unless owners were psychotic, they didn't destroy the very people they viewed as valuable assets.JMVHO.
    Sure, they could have been treated well, after the fact, but they were still kidnapped and families were still broken apart. That doesn't sound like something a kind human being does.

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Firstly,

    In my government school, I learned that all Muslims are required by their faith to want to wage war against Christianity and take over the world through Jihad. I also learned that Republicans wanted to control everyones' lives, while Democrats just wanted to take care of the poor. etc. and so forth. You've managed to pull 14 "facts" out of an entire state and furthermore...


    5. Slave masters were nice guys: "A few slave holders were undeniably cruel. Examples of slaves beaten to death were not common, neither were they unknown. The majority of slave holders treated their slaves well."—United States History for Christian Schools, 2nd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 1991

    6. The KKK was A-OK: "[The Ku Klux] Klan in some areas of the country tried to be a means of reform, fighting the decline in morality and using the symbol of the cross. Klan targets were bootleggers, wife-beaters, and immoral movies. In some communities it achieved a certain respectability as it worked with politicians."—United States History for Christian Schools, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2001

    7. The Great Depression wasn't as bad as the liberals made it sound: "Perhaps the best known work of propaganda to come from the Depression was John Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath…Other forms of propaganda included rumors of mortgage foreclosures, mass evictions, and hunger riots and exaggerated statistics representing the number of unemployed and homeless people in America."—United States History: Heritage of Freedom, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1996

    10. Mark Twain and Emily Dickinson were a couple of hacks: "[Mark] Twain's outlook was both self-centered and ultimately hopeless…Twain's skepticism was clearly not the honest questioning of a seeker of truth but the deliberate defiance of a confessed rebel."—Elements of Literature for Christian Schools, Bob Jones University, 2001

    "Several of [Emily Dickinson's] poems show a presumptuous attitude concerning her eternal destiny and a veiled disrespect for authority in general. Throughout her life she viewed salvation as a gamble, not a certainty. Although she did view the Bible as a source of poetic inspiration, she never accepted it as an inerrant guide to life."—Elements of Literature for Christian Schools, Bob Jones University, 2001

    12. Gay people "have no more claims to special rights than child molesters or rapists."—Teacher's Resource Guide to Current Events for Christian Schools, 1998-1999, Bob Jones University Press, 1998
    Your fact-checker apparently sucks because these things are accurate

    8. SCOTUS enslaved fetuses: "Ignoring 3,500 years of Judeo-Christian civilization, religion, morality, and law, the Burger Court held that an unborn child was not a living person but rather the "property" of the mother (much like slaves were considered property in the 1857 case of Dred Scott v. Sandford)."—American Government in Christian Perspective, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1997

    11. Abstract algebra is too dang complicated: "Unlike the 'modern math' theorists, who believe that mathematics is a creation of man and thus arbitrary and relative, A Beka Book teaches that the laws of mathematics are a creation of God and thus absolute…A Beka Book provides attractive, legible, and workable traditional mathematics texts that are not burdened with modern theories such as set theory."—ABeka.com

    13. "Global environmentalists have said and written enough to leave no doubt that their goal is to destroy the prosperous economies of the world's richest nations."—Economics: Work and Prosperity in Christian Perspective, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1999
    And these things have evidence behind them but are debateable.

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I have no idea what your idea of "kind" might be, but mine does not include kidnapping, breaking families apart, forcing people to work like dogs for no pay, nevermind killing those who tried to escape.
    American slave owners did not travel to Africa or anywhere else to kidnap anyone. They bought their slaves at market. If you want to blame someone for kidnapping, blame the Dutch and the Africans themselves who sold other tribes to the slavers.

    Maggie has a point and she's not talking up slavery. She's trying to get through to those with a public school education that the matter was more complex and the conditions different than the pap they push. Slavery is bad M'Kay.

    Slaves were an investment, a piece of valuable property. And btw, while all this was happening, children and people who owed money in the North were worked like dogs for less pay and worse conditions than most slaves faced on the plantations.

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Kidnapping, breaking families apart and punishing those who try to escape is part of slavery's bones, so to speak. I'm referring to how they were treated on the plantations who bought them. Unless owners were psychotic, they didn't destroy the very people they viewed as valuable assets. JMVHO.
    If you're excusing the slanted presentation of slavery in the Louisiana textbooks under discussion in the Op, I can't possibly, even remotely agree.

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Rewriting history in realtime.
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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The article cherry picks fringe comments and tries to associate it with private schools.The article doesn't mention where in the text book those comments are from and what schools actually use those text books.
    Gee, james, I'm not sure what sort of context could provide cover for an outright lie such as "dinosaurs and humans lived together". Maybe you can explain that to me.

    And BTW, I don't see these kind of beliefs as "christian".

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    American slave owners did not travel to Africa or anywhere else to kidnap anyone. They bought their slaves at market. If you want to blame someone for kidnapping, blame the Dutch and the Africans themselves who sold other tribes to the slavers.

    Maggie has a point and she's not talking up slavery. She's trying to get through to those with a public school education that the matter was more complex and the conditions different than the pap they push. Slavery is bad M'Kay.

    Slaves were an investment, a piece of valuable property. And btw, while all this was happening, children and people who owed money in the North were worked like dogs for less pay and worse conditions than most slaves faced on the plantations.
    A new reason to *headdesk*.

    Now people want to debate whether slavery was unkind?

    What next? Whether the Holocaust can be excused if only we look at what tidy records the Nazis kept?

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    The fact these books are sold enough to even be published in multiple editions is bad enough, it to teach it as fact I say that is downright frightening, an assault against rational thought even.

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