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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The fact is that most (slaves) were well-fed and cared for.
    Prove it.

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Prove it.
    Hmm. Best I could find is a book called "Southern Slavery as it Was" by Steve Wilkins and Douglas Wilson. I haven't read it, but here is a relevant citation:

    “The Slave Narratives are overwhelmingly favorable in the judgment of slave masters as ‘good men.’” Out of 331 narratives that had a reference to a master, 86% suggested that their masters were “good” or “kind.”

    I would expect you could form your own opinion by reading first-hand slave narratives for yourself.

    To me, it's common sense. If one were to treat slaves like ****, they would revolt. If you beat them or stave them, they wouldn't have the strength to work as hard.
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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    I have learned two important facts from reading the comments from those on the Far Right of the political spectrum:

    1) Slave owners were kind;

    2) The KKK was a force for goodness throughout the land.

    Who knew? Next, could you guys discuss the Nazis? They've been getting really bad press for years now, and they need some folks like you to point out the other side.
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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Oh save it.

    I never said anything resembling that. What I said was that all slave owners didn't beat and starve their slaves.

    Slavery was terrible enough on its own. We don't need to be a bunch of revisionists and make it out to be even worse than it was.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    I have learned two important facts from reading the comments from those on the Far Right of the political spectrum:

    1) Slave owners were kind;

    2) The KKK was a force for goodness throughout the land.

    Who knew? Next, could you guys discuss the Nazis? They've been getting really bad press for years now, and they need some folks like you to point out the other side.

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    I know this may be difficult for you to understand, but not every single post made in this thread is in response to you. Post number 17 made the declarative statement that 'Slave owners were kind'. It is that statement that has generated much of the subsequent activity.

    Subsequent posts made the point that the KKK was just a bunch of guys getting together to help keep order in the world.

    You might try reading some of those posts.

    I am curious as to how 'revisionists' can make slavery out to be any worse than it actually was, since what is was was pure, unadulterated evil. But I'm sure there are those of you out there that see the goodness in it and get irritated when people don't agree.
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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Hmm. Best I could find is a book called "Southern Slavery as it Was" by Steve Wilkins and Douglas Wilson. I haven't read it, but here is a relevant citation:

    “The Slave Narratives are overwhelmingly favorable in the judgment of slave masters as ‘good men.’” Out of 331 narratives that had a reference to a master, 86% suggested that their masters were “good” or “kind.”

    I would expect you could form your own opinion by reading first-hand slave narratives for yourself.

    To me, it's common sense. If one were to treat slaves like ****, they would revolt. If you beat them or stave them, they wouldn't have the strength to work as hard.
    You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Had you researched just a little bit you would have realized how far off the mark that you are.

    "SLAVE LAWS PASSED IN VIRGINIA:

    1640-1660: The Critical Period: Custom to Law when Status Changed to "Servant for Life"
    1639/40 -- Blacks excluded from the requirement of possessing arms.
    1642 -- Black women counted as tithables (taxable).
    1662 -- Possibility of life servitude for Blacks.
    1660-1680: Slave Laws Further Restrict Freedom of Blacks and Legalize Different Treatment for Blacks and Whites
    1667 -- Baptism does not bring freedom to Blacks.
    1669 -- An act about the "casual killing of slaves" establishes that "if any slave resist his master and by the extremity of the correction should chance to die, that his death not be accompted Felony."
    1670 -- Servant for life: the "normal" condition judged for Blacks.
    1670 -- Forbade free Blacks and Native Americans, "though baptised," to own Christian servants.
    1680-1705: Slave Laws Reflect Racism and the Deliberate Separation of Blacks and Whites. Color becomes the Determining Factor. Conscious Efforts to Rigidly Police Slave Conduct.
    1680 -- Prescription of thirty lashes on the bare back "if any negroe or other slave shall presume to lift up his hand against any Christian."
    1680s -- Development of a separate legal code providing distinct trial procedures and harsher punishments for negroes.
    1680s -- Status of the child is determined by the status or condition of the mother.
    1680s -- Severe punishment prescribed for slaves who leave their master's property or for hiding or resisting capture.
    1691 -- Banishment for any white person married to a negroe or mulatto and a systematic plan to capture "outlying slaves" is approved.
    1705 -- All negro, mulatto, and Indian slaves are considered real estate.
    1705 -- Dismemberment of unruly slaves is made legal."
    Slavery and the Law in Virginia : The Colonial Williamsburg Official History Site

    I wonder why they needed these laws with all of those kind slave owners running around?


    Here is some historical information about slave rebelion.
    Slave rebellion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "Numerous black slave rebellions and insurrections took place in North America during the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries. There is documentary evidence of more than 250 uprisings or attempted uprisings involving ten or more slaves. Three of the best known in the United States during the 19th century are the revolts by Gabriel Prosser in Virginia in 1800, Denmark Vesey in Charleston, South Carolina in 1822, and Nat Turner in Southampton County, Virginia, in 1831.
    Slave resistance in the antebellum South did not gain the attention of academic historians until the 1940s when historian Herbert Aptheker started publishing the first serious scholarly work on the subject. Aptheker stressed how rebellions were rooted in the exploitative conditions of the Southern slave system. He traversed libraries and archives throughout the South, managing to uncover roughly 250 similar instances.
    '


    You cannot rewrite history to fit your opinions. As the link states there is documented proof. So perhaps you should withdraw your claims?

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    A little bit more on the pro-slavery pamphlet, Southern Slavery, As It Was

    Wilson's most controversial work is probably his pamphlet Southern Slavery, As It Was (ISBN 1-885767-17-X), which he wrote along with League of the South co-founder and fellow Christian minister Steve Wilkins. The pamphlet stated that "slavery produced in the South a genuine affection between the races that we believe we can say has never existed in any nation before the War or since." Historians such as Peter H. Wood, Clayborne Carson, and Bancroft Prize winner Ira Berlin condemned the pamphlet's arguments, with Wood calling them as spurious as holocaust denial.

    Wilson held a February 2004 conference for those who supported his ideas, such as pastor George Grant, in the University of Idaho. The University published a disclaimer distancing itself from the event, and numerous anti-conference protests took place. Wilson described critical attacks as 'abolitionist propaganda'.[9] He also has repeatedly denied any racist leanings. Wilson has described his own views as 'paleo-Confederate'. He has said his "long war" is not on behalf of white supremacy; rather, Wilson seeks to revive the memory—however rose-tinted—of eras in Western history when faith and reason seemed at one, when family, church, and the organic "community of Christians" that T. S. Eliot describes in Christianity and Culture were more powerful than the state.

    Canon Press ceased publication of Southern Slavery, As It Was when it became aware of serious citation errors in several passages authored by Wilkins
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    PAGE BY PAGE: DOUG WILSON’S SUPPORT FOR RACIAL SLAVERY
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    This truly amazes me that some people are actually trying to down play slavery and the KKK and even teach it to their children. So what you are saying is that there is something to the accusations from the Left that Right wingers are racists Nazis? I mean you guys are the ones though that are actually confirming the stereotype. It is definitely an eye opener for a skeptic like myself.

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteIvy View Post
    So slave owners were kinder than the British Empire... And Stalin was actually worse than Hitler. What's the point?

    Slavery was horrible and a terrible blemish on our American History. That's the point. Talking about how most slaves were actually treated "kind" (puke) is insulting to the millions of people who were VICTIMS of slavery.

    Another example of defending the oppressors and invalidating the oppressed. How will we ever move forward?...
    Every country has a black mark somewhere on its record, and I'd argue as bad as slavery and the war crimes against the Native Americans are, not a single participant in those crimes are still alive, so the statue of limitations has passed. Sometimes moving "forward" means putting things behind you.

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    LOL!

    I would ask you to define what makes a "good" slave owner, but I'm sure what I would get would be ad hominems and avoidance....along with the continuing unawareness of the contradiction inherent in the term.
    Well, a good slave owner would've been someone who treated their slaves with some decency, provided adequate food, and freed them through his will after passing.
    Obviously the term speaks relatively. It's not to say that being a slave owner is a good thing, but rather that at least they treated their slaves better than more abusive masters.

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