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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So do you think students should get credit for Sunday school?
    I'm not sure where that fits into this discussion tbh.

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Total bull. Louisiana has a minimum curriculum to accept funds and none of that stuff is taught anywhere in the state, in fact the only difference between the major public and private schools in my location is that parochials have a prayer time and public schools cannot do such. The parochials teach; history, chemistry, biology, evolution, physics, and everything else required to survive in college.

    Chicago Tribune, July 23, 2012

    (Reuters) - State money will continue to flow to scores of private and religious schools participating in Louisiana's new voucher program even if their students fail basic reading and math tests, according to new guidelines released by the state on Monday.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    I do not believe a word of this post.
    And I don't care. I live here and have never seen any school parochial or public that offered any of that supposed curriculum, besides, MotherJones is not exactly a scientific and unbiased source, quite the opposite. In fact, the state teacher's union's only claim was creationism would be taught and they couldn't even prove that.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    9. The Red Scare isn't over yet: "It is no wonder that Satan hates the family and has hurled his venom against it in the form of Communism."— American Government in Christian Perspective, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1997
    Of course this ignores the fact that Communist sympathizers and actual agents of the USSR did infiltrate the government, and the concept of the politariot supersedes that of the family.
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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrickt View Post
    "Fact" is apparently another one of those liberal code words that means, "Things that make no sense that we desperately want to believe."

    My children attended a unionized public school. Things they were taught. The Holocaust never happened. Spelling, punctuation, structure, and grammar are unimportant. Communism is the only compassionate system. The earth will be destroyed by pollution in a few years. DDT causes cancer. And, my personal favorite, the Constitution is a living document and doesn't need to be followed.


    In what country did your children attend "unionized public school"? In the United States, I would say that such a statement is totally untrue.


    Provide proof of your claim or maybe an apology would suffice.
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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    In what country did your children attend "unionized public school"? In the United States, I would say that such a statement is totally untrue.


    Provide proof of your claim or maybe an apology would suffice.
    Schools fall under the NEA, or National Educators Association which is a union. The NEA has a presence in every state, federal, and local school, every single one. Raises are not based upon merit but rather tenure and it's nearly impossible to fire a tenured teacher. Everyone already knows this.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    And I don't care. I live here and have never seen any school parochial or public that offered any of that supposed curriculum, besides, MotherJones is not exactly a scientific and unbiased source, quite the opposite. In fact, the state teacher's union's only claim was creationism would be taught and they couldn't even prove that.
    Did you read the article? They identified something like 20 schools that use, or claim to use, the curriculum that created the quotes (the "wacky facts") from the article. Put another way, they're citing to actual textbooks. Unless you're arguing that Mother Jones is flat out lying about the curriculum these schools are claiming to use, I think you're going to have to accept that this is actually happening.

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Did you read the article? They identified something like 20 schools that use, or claim to use, the curriculum that created the quotes (the "wacky facts") from the article. Put another way, they're citing to actual textbooks. Unless you're arguing that Mother Jones is flat out lying about the curriculum these schools are claiming to use, I think you're going to have to accept that this is actually happening.
    She is flat out lying. Like I said, I live here and have never seen or heard any of it, not in local papers, not in person, nothing. Do you actually think you wouldn't see that in some form of media that's actually accredited if that were half true? It would be all over the place, so yes, MotherJones is lying.
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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Boycott CAFOs View Post
    This is horrific.

    I almost want to cry. My niece lives in Louisiana. She's very smart, so I would hate for her potential to be so severely limited by such a tragic excuse for an education.

    I hope they move back to California soon. Ugh. This **** makes me mad.

    14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools | Mother Jones
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    "1. Dinosaurs and humans probably hung out: "Bible-believing Christians cannot accept any evolutionary interpretation. Dinosaurs and humans were definitely on the earth at the same time and may have even lived side by side within the past few thousand years."—Life Science, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2007


    2. Dragons were totally real: "[Is] it possible that a fire-breathing animal really existed? Today some scientists are saying yes. They have found large chambers in certain dinosaur skulls…The large skull chambers could have contained special chemical-producing glands. When the animal forced the chemicals out of its mouth or nose, these substances may have combined and produced fire and smoke."—Life Science, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2007

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    Whew! Seems extreme. But perhaps we shouldn't be too surprised. Gov. Jindal, you remember, once tried to perform an exorcism on a college gal pal."
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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    She is flat out lying. Like I said, I live here and have never seen or heard any of it, not in local papers, not in person, nothing. Do you actually think you wouldn't see that in some form of media that's actually accredited if that were half true? It would be all over the place, so yes, MotherJones is lying.
    I'm sorry, but that just ain't true. If you follow the link to the website set up by the guy who did the research on this, you'll find links to the websites of the 20 or so schools engaging in this crap. Here's one, for example:

    Curriculum - Northeast Baptist School, West Monroe, LA - A Christian school for Monroe, West Monroe, and northeast Louisiana - Northeast Baptist School, West Monroe, LA - A Christian School for Monroe, West Monroe, and Northeast Louisiana

    Note that the school actually says it's using the Bob Jones and ABeka materials that are quoted in the "wacky facts" list. I haven't looked at all of them, but that's one school at the very least, that is, in fact, going to be teaching bull**** to its students.

    But don't take MotherJones' word for it. Here's the link they're citing: http://www.repealcreationism.com/697...it-nationwide/
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