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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    without any context, i think it's unwise to make that inference.
    i mean, we are talking about a solitary blurb taken from a textbook with absolutely no context.
    ( i think the article did this on purpose, as to encourage the inference.. but that might just be me )
    I agree that context is important, but I really can't think of any context where the comment in the OP would not make that kind of inference. It minimizes.

    I highly doubt the textbook casts slavery in a positive light or attempts to minimize it ... yet that is really the only inference that can be drawn from the single factoid being used to represent the textbook.
    It may not in the big picture, but even if this is just one comment, this one comment does minimize the negatives of slavery.

    as for serving a purpose, i dunno.. i don't know the context of the chapter... it may have been titled " treatment of slaves" with multiple pages addressing the cruel treatment of slaves and this single blurb saying some didn't...who knows?.. we surely can't tell with the Mother Jones article.
    Perhaps. However, the statement certainly minimizes things. It states that the majority of slaveowners did not mistreat their slaves. I cannot see, regardless of what the Chapter title or focus might have been, how a statement that uses the word "majority" doesn't minimize the negative impact of slavery.
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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I agree that context is important, but I really can't think of any context where the comment in the OP would not make that kind of inference. It minimizes.



    It may not in the big picture, but even if this is just one comment, this one comment does minimize the negatives of slavery.



    Perhaps. However, the statement certainly minimizes things. It states that the majority of slaveowners did not mistreat their slaves. I cannot see, regardless of what the Chapter title or focus might have been, how a statement that uses the word "majority" doesn't minimize the negative impact of slavery.
    it's be nice if i could offer an argument here... but without the textbook, i'd just be pissin' in the wind throwing out guesses.

    I don't know if it minimizes any aspect of slavery, or if it's just an aside... I don't have a clue without context... none of us do.

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    it's be nice if i could offer an argument here... but without the textbook, i'd just be pissin' in the wind throwing out guesses.

    I don't know if it minimizes any aspect of slavery, or if it's just an aside... I don't have a clue without context... none of us do.
    Well, then we can just chalk it up to a difference of opinion. I just don't see how in any reasonable context, that statement couldn't infer what I've stated.
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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Well, then we can just chalk it up to a difference of opinion. I just don't see how in any reasonable context, that statement couldn't infer what I've stated.
    i'm not arguing against your opinion.. hell, you may be entirely correct... i'm just saying I don't have enough information to base an opinion off of... " don't know" isn't an opinion.

    hell, we don't even know if the quote is accurate or not... it might not even be in the textbook at all...or it might be under the chapter titled "Slavery: not as bad as we think it is"... I've been around too long to discount the possibility/probability of stupid **** being said or taught to kids.

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    i'm not arguing against your opinion.. hell, you may be entirely correct... i'm just saying I don't have enough information to base an opinion off of... " don't know" isn't an opinion.
    That's fine. Certainly more information is needed for a definitive position. If that statement is accurate, though, I see it as minimizing slavery.

    hell, we don't even know if the quote is accurate or not... it might not even be in the textbook at all...or it might be under the chapter titled "Slavery: not as bad as we think it is"... I've been around too long to discount the possibility/probability of stupid **** being said or taught to kids.
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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    I'm trying to think what is good about slavery. So far, I haven't been able to think of anything. There are only degrees of bad. I suppose a really good slave holder is one who buys slaves and then immediately sets them free, but I don't know that that has ever happened.
    Even then, they are still slaves - in order for a slave to truly be free he must through his own actions give himself freedom. Only he can set himself free.
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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    So your Niece is going to a Christian private school?

    I know the answer for the following but it appears you don't, does the LA voucher program mandate attendence to religioius school?
    My niece is currently living with my sister's husband's freaky Christian family. My sister and I are not talking right now so I don't know what school she is going to but I wouldn't be surprised if she were. She was in a Catholic private school when she was here (hated that brainwash camp, too, but at least I don't THINK they were teaching the kids that humans walked with dinosaurs).

    You're being a douche for apparently no reason.

    attendance*, by the way. I don't get how people can spell words incorrectly when it highlights the misspelled words for you.

    And yes, I know the answer. But I think I already addressed your assumptions up there^.

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Ah, and defending slavery. Conservative Christians at their finest!

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Boycott CAFOs View Post
    My niece is currently living with my sister's husband's freaky Christian family. My sister and I are not talking right now so I don't know what school she is going to but I wouldn't be surprised if she were. She was in a Catholic private school when she was here (hated that brainwash camp, too, but at least I don't THINK they were teaching the kids that humans walked with dinosaurs).

    You're being a douche for apparently no reason.

    attendance*, by the way. I don't get how people can spell words incorrectly when it highlights the misspelled words for you.

    And yes, I know the answer. But I think I already addressed your assumptions up there^.
    First of all, no need for personal insults.

    Second, the tone of your OP is that the voucher system is solely set up to coincide with your personal anecdote. Frankly, your personal family business is none of my concern. However, its your siblings choice to decide how they educate their kids.

    The voucher system offers choice. Will some put their children in religious based schools? Sure. Will others choose other options, you bet your ass when faced with putting your kids a failing LA public school (some of the worst in the country by the way.)

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    Re: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    A new reason to *headdesk*.

    Now people want to debate whether slavery was unkind?
    no. you are trying to make an ideological argument out of a historical one. Historically, one of slave-owners arguments against the North was that they actually treated their slaves better in terms of housing, food, healthcare, etc than northern manufacturers treated their (especially Irish immigrant) employees. They argued that they valued their slaves, whereas northern purchasers of labor did not value their employees, and as a purely economic matter, they were often correct. That does not excuse the incredible evil, the theft of humanity, and the enabler of mankinds' cruelest tendencies that is slavery. It simply discusses its' history in America in a less than monochrome manner where every white southerner was evil and every slave or white northerner good. People are good and evil wherever you find them.
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