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    Re: City may sue developer who spent $20,000 to remove 40 tons of trash from vacant l

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    I'm not sure it's that clear cut from the report linked. That just has a single statement about "a citation in August 2011 from the city for litter on the same lot" without any further detail. Regardless of those details, I don't think it alters the basic principals involved or the complexity surrounding them.
    certainly it does
    the city has gone on record to assert that the debris on that lot was debris
    the city has gone on record directing the business man to remove said debris
    any litigation against him would fail as a result
    but i am open to another opinion; tell us why litigation such as you recommend would be likely to prevail
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    Re: City may sue developer who spent $20,000 to remove 40 tons of trash from vacant l

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    Re: City may sue developer who spent $20,000 to remove 40 tons of trash from vacant l

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    certainly it does
    the city has gone on record to assert that the debris on that lot was debris
    the city has gone on record directing the business man to remove said debris
    That's all assumption. The only statement in the OP article is that he received a citation for litter on the same lot. If doesn't say what that litter was (so you don't know it was the material he ultimately removed) and it doesn't say what action the citation demanded of him.

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    tell us why litigation such as you recommend would be likely to prevail
    That would be a little difficult since I've not recommended any litigation at all. All I've done is point out that the situation is more complicated that some people seem to give it credit and that any of the "easy" answers could come with unintended consequences.

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    Re: City may sue developer who spent $20,000 to remove 40 tons of trash from vacant l

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    That's all assumption. The only statement in the OP article is that he received a citation for litter on the same lot. If doesn't say what that litter was (so you don't know it was the material he ultimately removed) and it doesn't say what action the citation demanded of him.
    so, your argument is that we do not know that the debris that the business man moved was the same debris that the city directed him to remove from the adjoining lot

    That would be a little difficult since I've not recommended any litigation at all. All I've done is point out that the situation is more complicated that some people seem to give it credit and that any of the "easy" answers could come with unintended consequences.
    then what is your point; that you do not have one?
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    Re: City may sue developer who spent $20,000 to remove 40 tons of trash from vacant l

    I would very much like to see this developer counter-sue the city and I would be willing to donate to any sort of ChipIn he has to help pay his legal fees to do so.

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    Re: City may sue developer who spent $20,000 to remove 40 tons of trash from vacant l

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so, your argument is that we do not know that the debris that the business man moved was the same debris that the city directed him to remove from the adjoining lot
    Essentially yes, but without the selective terminology. I also said that we don't know what actions (if any) the citation demanded of him.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    then what is your point; that you do not have one?
    No, my point is that you shouldn't leap to "obvious" answers to situations like this, especially if their coloured by prejudice, such as some of the anti-authoritarian/anti-government tendencies demonstrated on this thread.

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    Re: City may sue developer who spent $20,000 to remove 40 tons of trash from vacant l

    Sounds like the city is posturing. Making a mini-park is an invitation to people to use it which could lead to liability if someone breaks their neck on the new mini-park. My guess is they are being over the top to leave room to settle by having him remove that stuff.

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    Re: City may sue developer who spent $20,000 to remove 40 tons of trash from vacant l

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Sounds like the city is posturing. Making a mini-park is an invitation to people to use it which could lead to liability if someone breaks their neck on the new mini-park. My guess is they are being over the top to leave room to settle by having him remove that stuff.
    I don't think to many people realize a behind-the-scenes complication to this story: the city had to issue him a permit to do the work. No licensed contractor for the trash removal, heavy equipment, or landscaping would have moved on this without reserving a copy of his permit for their own records.

    This permit is literally the city's permission to do the project.

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    Re: City may sue developer who spent $20,000 to remove 40 tons of trash from vacant l

    I don't know the backstory, but I still think the city is posturing. An inspection guy working a nearby lot saw a bunch of trash around a ditch on a piece of property my dad owned and sent him this big nasty letter about it. His response was to send them a series of photos that that showed this ditch was an unpiped city storm drain from a street along with a note to clean up their own mess and put in their own pipe, and he never heard from them again.

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    Re: City may sue developer who spent $20,000 to remove 40 tons of trash from vacant l

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I don't think to many people realize a behind-the-scenes complication to this story: the city had to issue him a permit to do the work. No licensed contractor for the trash removal, heavy equipment, or landscaping would have moved on this without reserving a copy of his permit for their own records.

    This permit is literally the city's permission to do the project.
    Do you know that the city did issue this man a permit for the work though?

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