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    GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    Senate Republicans stopped the veterans jobs bill Wednesday by forcing a budget point of order vote.
    So what's this about Republicans not supporting the troops, and doing whatever they can do kill jobs?

    Well, actually, it's not like that. This spending bill originated in the Senate. According to the Constitution, all spending bills must originate in the House. The GOP is actually right in doing what they did.

    But that's not going to help them. The Democrats are pulling out all the stops to make the GOP look anti American here. What does that mean? It means that the political douche baggery belongs to the Democrats this time.

    Article is here.
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    Re: GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    I admire the spin, though.

    “This point of order puts a price on what we are willing to provide our veterans and it says ‘not a penny more,’ ” Senate Veterans Affairs Committee Chairwoman Patty Murray (D-Wash.) said before the vote. “It’s a point of order that will not only kill our ability to pass this bill, but that could also affect nearly every effort we make to improve the lives of veterans going forward.”
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    Re: GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    Yep. Politics as usual. The White House has already posted a comment less than an hour ago (current time as I write this, before taking days to be moderated, is 2150 hours UCT (5:50pm Eastern) on 19-SEP-2012). More fodder for the Obama Presidential campaign ads - coming to a TV near you.

    The Army Times has an article, "Senator rips Obama’s new veterans jobs plan" where Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla) make several good points, such as there are already six "job programs" for veterans. (Side Note: I am a disabled veteran, 1971-1973).

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    Re: GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    We Veterans and Service Members are always used by the Political Machine to get what they want.

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    “This violates the Budget Control Act, there is no dispute about it,” Sessions said in a floor speech Wednesday. “The bill will not even go through the House and it violates the Constitution because it says revenue bills must be started in the House ... [and] this is a revenue bill.”
    GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote - The Hill's Floor Action

    The headline should be "Democrats violate law with revenue bill through Senate." But that's not in keeping with the media applied spin.
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    Re: GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    So what's this about Republicans not supporting the troops, and doing whatever they can do kill jobs?

    Well, actually, it's not like that. This spending bill originated in the Senate. According to the Constitution, all spending bills must originate in the House. The GOP is actually right in doing what they did.

    But that's not going to help them. The Democrats are pulling out all the stops to make the GOP look anti American here. What does that mean? It means that the political douche baggery belongs to the Democrats this time.

    Article is here.

    However, the point of order could have been waived to get this bill through. A couple republicans voted for the bill

    This is just clearly the republicans not wanting to help workers in the US. What else could it be?

    Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (R-Ill.) requested a motion to waive the budget point of order, which was raised by Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.). Democrats needed 60 votes, but got only 58.

    “This violates the Budget Control Act, there is no dispute about it,” Sessions said in a floor speech Wednesday. “The bill will not even go through the House and it violates the Constitution because it says revenue bills must be started in the House ... [and] this is a revenue bill.”

    The Veterans Jobs Corp Act would have created new job-training programs to help veterans find work in targeted fields such as national park conservation, historic preservation projects, police work and firefighting, among others.

    Sens. Scott Brown (Mass.), Susan Collins (Maine), Dean Heller (Nev.), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Olympia Snowe (Maine) were the only Republicans who voted for the waiver, in a 58-40 vote.

    “It’s clear that commonsense bipartisan legislation is being thwarted in this chamber over politics,” said Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.), who sponsored the bill.
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    Re: GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote - The Hill's Floor Action

    The headline should be "Democrats violate law with revenue bill through Senate." But that's not in keeping with the media applied spin.

    Not really. Did you read the article?

    Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (R-Ill.) requested a motion to waive the budget point of order, which was raised by Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.). Democrats needed 60 votes, but got only 58.
    It was constitutional to waive the budget point of order. Sessions protested it and the democrats did not get yet ANOTHER jobs bill through. This one to help veterans.

    Like their First Responder blockage for health care, republicans are proving they don't care about Americans who protect our nation.

    Senate GOP blocks 9/11 first responders health plan bill - The Hill's Healthwatch
    Alex Carey:

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    Re: GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    Terrific! They can keep the unemployment figures up, and then blame it on Obama.
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    Re: GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    However, the point of order could have been waived to get this bill through. A couple republicans voted for the bill

    This is just clearly the republicans not wanting to help workers in the US. What else could it be?
    Yes, the point of order could have been waved, had enough Senators come out in favor of doing business unconstitutionally.
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    Re: GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    ... republicans are proving they don't care about Americans who protect our nation.

    Senate GOP blocks 9/11 first responders health plan bill - The Hill's Healthwatch
    There were sixty amendments to "the bill.". Have you read all sixty to see what's in them?

    For example, Senator Hatch wanted to add "The maximum age limit for an original appointment to a position as a law enforcement officer (as defined in section 8401(17)) shall be 47 years of age, in the case of an individual who on the effective date of such appointment is eligible to receive retired pay or retainer pay for military service, or pension or compensation from the Department of Veterans Affairs instead of such retired or retainer pay." Well, as a Vietnam-era disabled veteran, that leaves me out. Ain't that a bite in the [expletive omitted].

    And I see that Senator Paul added an amendment to the bill (SA 2815) which included important Veterans Job stuff like "Except as provided under subsection (b), no amounts may be obligated or expended to provide any direct United States assistance, loan guarantee, or debt relief to the Government of Egypt or the Government of Libya."

    At the same link above, I see that Senator Collins thought it was import to add "Sec. 10. Prescription Drug Take-Back Program For Members Of The Armed Forces, Their Dependents, And Veterans." Yep, prescription drug programs are important in a Veterans Job bill.

    There are tons of amendments for you to review. I haven't had time to review all of them, but it looks like a lot more than just a "Veteran Job Bill" to me. Perhaps those dastardly Republicans had other reasons for voting against the bill, other than that Constitutional-thing?

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