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    Re: GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    You have to admire the conservative responses on this thread. The turd polish is first rate. The myth that republicans support veterans is getting exposed again. Just like it did when McCain pretended to give a rip. His voting record proved otherwise.

    Talk is cheap. Voting records don't lie.
    Nice post! I love when someone doesn't bother to hide that they are being incredibly partisan and is willing to blatantly ignore any information that easily contradicts their "point".

    I'll look forward to the follow up showing your assertion has even the slightest basis in reality. For me, though, please leave in the data that is incredibly relevant, like the 60 amendments and whether the name of the bill has anything at all to do with the content.
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    Re: GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Yes, the point of order could have been waved, had enough Senators come out in favor of doing business unconstitutionally.
    the bad news is... 58 of them were in favor of doing unconstitutional business.


    the worse news... i'm not surprised by this.

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    Re: GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    You have to admire the conservative responses on this thread. The turd polish is first rate. The myth that republicans support veterans is getting exposed again. Just like it did when McCain pretended to give a rip. His voting record proved otherwise.

    Talk is cheap. Voting records don't lie.
    I don't really think you understand what you are arguing here...or maybe you don't like the Constitution and do understand after all.... not sure which.

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    Re: GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I don't really think you understand what you are arguing here...or maybe you don't like the Constitution and do understand after all.... not sure which.
    actually, you described yourself

    what we really have is the republican contingent - excepting Sens. Scott Brown (Mass.), Susan Collins (Maine), Dean Heller (Nev.), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Olympia Snowe (Maine) - making sure a veterans job program does not move forward

    that's it. the republicans are willing to play politics with veterans' jobs
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    Re: GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    However, the point of order could have been waived to get this bill through. A couple republicans voted for the bill

    This is just clearly the republicans not wanting to help workers in the US. What else could it be?
    LOL. It could be bait for the gullible.

    Do you believe that jobs training creates jobs? I suppose it does, for the trainers.

    Before the Democrats did everything "for the children." I suppose that one is not working anymore. So now the despicable democrats who despise the military are not doing it "for the veterans." For anyone willing to see this one is transparent.

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    Re: GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    actually, you described yourself

    what we really have is the republican contingent - excepting Sens. Scott Brown (Mass.), Susan Collins (Maine), Dean Heller (Nev.), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Olympia Snowe (Maine) - making sure a veterans job program does not move forward

    that's it. the republicans are willing to play politics with veterans' jobs
    So every one who supported this bill is a Republican in name only.

    That argument convinces me. If Snow and Murkowski are for it the best way to bet is to be against it (assuming you love your country).

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    Re: GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    actually, you described yourself

    what we really have is the republican contingent - excepting Sens. Scott Brown (Mass.), Susan Collins (Maine), Dean Heller (Nev.), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Olympia Snowe (Maine) - making sure a veterans job program does not move forward

    that's it. the republicans are willing to play politics with veterans' jobs
    I don't care what the bill is about or who it benefits... the Constitution, and it's limits, exist... i'm sorry that offends you Democrats, but they are still bound to operate under it's constraints.


    I haven't even commented on the bill itself.... because it doesn't matter... the Constitution comes before any agenda or bill anyone has.
    hell, this could be the worlds greatest bill... it doesn't matter if you don't follow the Constitution.

    by all means, the vote should have been 100-nays to 0-ayes... but 58 voted to waive Constitutional requirements... no amendment, no convention... just a simple routine vote and the Senate nearly took the Peoples House right out of the ballgame. ( that's your house, if you didn't know)

    so yeah, tell me more fables about you supporting the Constitution while you condone this ****.


    this isn't hard stuff here... it's civics 101.

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    Re: GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    So every one who supported this bill is a Republican in name only.

    That argument convinces me. If Snow and Murkowski are for it the best way to bet is to be against it (assuming you love your country).
    well, those whom voted to waive are certainly on my **** list....Republican and Democrat alike

    those whom voted against it have strong backing... it's called the " Law of the Land"

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    Re: GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    There are procedural methods that can prevent amendments from being attached. I know this because Republicans used it as their excuse to vote down health benefits for 9/11 first responders. Because they couldn't attach their riders to it, they decided to filibuster health benefits for 9/11 first responders.
    Do you have a reference number for that bill? Or at least the actual title of the bill to which you are referring? What other riders were already on it?
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    Re: GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    actually, you described yourself

    what we really have is the republican contingent - excepting Sens. Scott Brown (Mass.), Susan Collins (Maine), Dean Heller (Nev.), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Olympia Snowe (Maine) - making sure a veterans job program does not move forward

    that's it. the republicans are willing to play politics with veterans' jobs
    Did you miss the post of some of the riders and attachments. If it was only a veterans job program, it probably would of passed.

    It was an attempt to bypass the "power of the purse" which the Constitution clearly lays in the hands of the House of Representatives.

    It also contained riders that after seeing them, I would agree that they were too egregious to allow to pass.

    While I could support the veterans jobs portion of the bill and would like to see it re-introduced, I cannot disagree with the killing of the bill as it ended up after amendments.
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