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    Re: GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Isn' t blocking a veterans jobs bill a sign of being a Marxist or a communist or at the very least anti-military?
    Not when the reason for doing so is simply that the bill has not followed the legitimate path for a bill of its type.

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    Re: GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    Actually, you are wrong about the type of bill it was. Budget bills (meaning the legislation for the entire budget) begin in the house, a bill is not a budget bill just because it entails spending money. It was completely appropriate to begin in the senate.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    So what's this about Republicans not supporting the troops, and doing whatever they can do kill jobs?

    Well, actually, it's not like that. This spending bill originated in the Senate. According to the Constitution, all spending bills must originate in the House. The GOP is actually right in doing what they did.

    But that's not going to help them. The Democrats are pulling out all the stops to make the GOP look anti American here. What does that mean? It means that the political douche baggery belongs to the Democrats this time.

    Article is here.

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    Re: GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    Does anyone here have the actual number/title of the bill so some of us can look at what else was in the bill? Further, is this yet another attempt by Dems to bypass the Constitution to get what they want passed? Was this only a veterans job bill? Or was it something else that the Dems decided to put the veterans job bill into so that they would have a claim that the Reps were acting against Veterans when it was shot down? If the Dems really cared about veteran jobs, then why attach it to a budget bill instead of making it a separate bill and allow it to stand by itself without having other attachments to it?

    I don't think whom ever is running the Romney campaign is doing a very good job of managing some issues. Considering that he is running against the same "President" that called for making troops pay a greater share for their healthcare and then called them "selfish" for not being willing to make such a sacrifice for the "public good" and help controlling budget costs. The same one that has attacked veteran healthcare by raising/trying to raise co-pay for retired vets using the Tri-Care system. Vets who's original contract with the government was free healthcare for life, for themselves and their dependents, if they served to retirement.

    I suspect this whole thing was an attempt by Dems to bypass the Constitution to get something they wanted while attaching something that would give them propaganda if it was not passed. (I have not read the actual bill yet, but hope to if I can find it.) The Romney campaign and any senate campaign should very loudly and very publicly call the Dems and Obama on this. This kind of treatment and trading on the sacrifices we vets have made for our country is just outright despicable.

    The actual jobs bill does not affect me directly, I am 100% disabled and currently unemployable. However, I do take to heart and have a great interest in how our government treats the vets who sacrificed so much already and the active duty troops who will be vets and are currently sacrificing so much. Any politician, not just Obama, that places a greater value on social programs and welfare over caring for our vets is a despicable human being and unworthy to hold public office.
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    Re: GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    If their opposition is only procedural, shouldn't the Republicans block the bill and then submit their own version of it in the House?
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    Re: GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    Quote Originally Posted by VoteRight View Post
    Fabulous!!! It seems all my links above to the Library of Congress are temporary. Hey, why should the Government want you to link to anything so unimportant as, oh, Congressional records and proceedings?

    To read the 60 amendments to the Veterans Jobs Corps Act of 2012, do the following... Go to:

    Search Bill Summary & Status - 112th Congress - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

    In the "Enter Search" box, type: Veterans Jobs Corps Act of 2012

    Click Search.

    On the following page, click "Amendments"

    You will find 60 amendments. All of them will say "See Congressional Record for text." Bummer, huh? Hey, NOTHING in the Government is easy! Keep working, Comrade...

    On amendment 1, click "S.AMDT.2780"

    Next page, after "TEXT OF AMENDMENT AS SUBMITTED:" click on "CR S6065" (that's the "Congressional Record" page 6,065 in case you were wondering. Those Senators talk a lot.)

    Next page, after "3 . TEXT OF AMENDMENTS" click on "(Senate - September 10, 2012)"

    The first thing amended to the "Veterans Job" bill by Senator Casey is a change to... wait for it... "Subpart A of part IV of subchapter A of chapter 1 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986."

    Job Bill. Right. And my cat can scuba dive. Enjoy!
    Thank you for the link. First, the exclusion from the benefits only includes those who are dishonorably discharged, can only happen if convicted in military court and all convictions are considered felonies. However, it appears to allow this benefit to those given a Bad Conduct Discharge, also only used as part of a conviction, and those who are discharged with a General Discharge, Under Other Than Honorable Conditions, used when someone accepts an Article 15, Non-Judicial punishment in lieu of a courts martial. Both of which excludes individual given those discharges from Veteran Benefits and the current G.I. Bill for education.

    As for Amendments, lets see,
    S.3457
    Amends the Internal Revenue Code to provide for a 100% continuous levy upon the property and rights of Medicare (title XVIII of the Social Security Act) providers and suppliers neglecting or refusing to pay taxes.
    Repeals provisions of the Energy Policy Act of 2005 providing for a program for the research, development, demonstration, and commercial application of technologies for ultra-deepwater and unconventional natural gas and other petroleum resource exploration and production.

    Permits the Secretary of State to deny, revoke, or limit a passport to any individual upon receiving certification from the Secretary of the Treasury that such individual has a delinquent tax debt in an amount in excess of $50,000.

    S.AMDT.2781 TEXT OF AMENDMENT AS SUBMITTED: CR S6110-6111 DIVISION A--DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE AUTHORIZATIONS, et al,

    Ok, what is defense authorizations and spending doing in a veterans job bill?

    S.AMDT.2782, S.AMDT.2783,S.AMDT.2784,S.AMDT.2785,S.AMDT.2786,S. AMDT.2787,S.AMDT.2788,S.AMDT.2789 same as 2781 in intent. Just different Senators proposals. Should defense spending be included in a Veterans Job bill?

    S.AMDT.2790 Includes things like requiring VA to dispose of controlled substances when surrendered to them, maybe not a bad thing, but should it be a jobs bill?
    S.AMDT.2791 National right to work, hey all for it, but why is it snuck into a jobs bill?
    etc, etc through all the other amendments.

    So it is not just the Dems doing it. Although, the Reps may only have been reacting to proposals first entered by Dems, to me at least the whole thing is a bit confusing, so maybe not. Totally despicable by all involved. I can agree with the nature and spirit of the original bill, if it also excluded Bad Conduct Discharges and General Discharges Under Other Than Honorable Conditions. Since the original bill is not a "funding" bill, the Veterans Job Corps part could be introduced and passed by either House of Congress.
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    Re: GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    You have to admire the conservative responses on this thread. The turd polish is first rate. The myth that republicans support veterans is getting exposed again. Just like it did when McCain pretended to give a rip. His voting record proved otherwise.

    Talk is cheap. Voting records don't lie.

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    Re: GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    You have to admire the conservative responses on this thread. The turd polish is first rate. The myth that republicans support veterans is getting exposed again. Just like it did when McCain pretended to give a rip. His voting record proved otherwise.

    Talk is cheap. Voting records don't lie.
    Really? Do you have any data to back up that claim? Perhaps references to the legislation you are referring to? Just like the bill under discussion here, did the others have undesirable attachments to them?

    Deuce,

    Sure they could. But is there any indication that the same type of amendments won't be attached once it reaches the Senate? The problem with a bill like this is that it is desirable, it would be publicly supported and thus, both sides are going to try to attach as much of their agendas to it as possible. It is just too good of a bill for them not to try to take advantage of it. While it is being blamed on the Republicans, do you really think it was a Republican that threw in the S.3457
    Amends the Internal Revenue Code to provide for a 100% continuous levy upon the property and rights of Medicare (title XVIII of the Social Security Act) providers and suppliers neglecting or refusing to pay taxes.
    Repeals provisions of the Energy Policy Act of 2005 providing for a program for the research, development, demonstration, and commercial application of technologies for ultra-deepwater and unconventional natural gas and other petroleum resource exploration and production.

    Permits the Secretary of State to deny, revoke, or limit a passport to any individual upon receiving certification from the Secretary of the Treasury that such individual has a delinquent tax debt in an amount in excess of $50,000.

    section of the amendments? If House doesn't, from either party, it is because they know it will be used as a rider for other things and stands no chance of getting through on it's own without riders attached.
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    Re: GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Really? Do you have any data to back up that claim? Perhaps references to the legislation you are referring to? Just like the bill under discussion here, did the others have undesirable attachments to them?

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    Bill ALWAYS have undesirable attachments. That's a cheap red herring. As I mentioned, check the voting records.

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    Re: GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Bill ALWAYS have undesirable attachments. That's a cheap red herring. As I mentioned, check the voting records.
    I didn't make the assertion, you did. Are you going to prove it, or are you just another hack spouting partisan rhetoric.
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    Re: GOP blocks veterans jobs bill with budget vote

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Really? Do you have any data to back up that claim? Perhaps references to the legislation you are referring to? Just like the bill under discussion here, did the others have undesirable attachments to them?

    Deuce,

    Sure they could. But is there any indication that the same type of amendments won't be attached once it reaches the Senate? The problem with a bill like this is that it is desirable, it would be publicly supported and thus, both sides are going to try to attach as much of their agendas to it as possible. It is just too good of a bill for them not to try to take advantage of it. While it is being blamed on the Republicans, do you really think it was a Republican that threw in the S.3457
    Amends the Internal Revenue Code to provide for a 100% continuous levy upon the property and rights of Medicare (title XVIII of the Social Security Act) providers and suppliers neglecting or refusing to pay taxes.
    Repeals provisions of the Energy Policy Act of 2005 providing for a program for the research, development, demonstration, and commercial application of technologies for ultra-deepwater and unconventional natural gas and other petroleum resource exploration and production.

    Permits the Secretary of State to deny, revoke, or limit a passport to any individual upon receiving certification from the Secretary of the Treasury that such individual has a delinquent tax debt in an amount in excess of $50,000.

    section of the amendments? If House doesn't, from either party, it is because they know it will be used as a rider for other things and stands no chance of getting through on it's own without riders attached.
    There are procedural methods that can prevent amendments from being attached. I know this because Republicans used it as their excuse to vote down health benefits for 9/11 first responders. Because they couldn't attach their riders to it, they decided to filibuster health benefits for 9/11 first responders.
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