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    Google says it won't take down anti-Muslim clip (at White House request)

    This is a pretty disturbing event, that the White House is trying to censor speech. Where does it end? If someone posts an anti US govt rant which results in protests, will the White House ask to take that down too? So what if muslims dont like our speech. They can piss off. And so can the White House. As if the video hasnt been copied all over the net already.

    WASHINGTON — Google is refusing a White House request to take down an anti-Muslim clip on YouTube, but is restricting access to it in certain countries.

    The White House said Friday that it had asked YouTube to review whether the video violated its terms of use. Google owns YouTube, the online video sharing site.

    YouTube said in a statement Friday that the video is widely available on the Web and is "clearly within our guidelines and so will stay on YouTube."

    The short film "Innocence of Muslims" denigrates Islam and the Prophet Muhammad. It played a role in igniting mob violence against U.S. embassies across the Middle East. And it has been blamed for playing a role in violence in Libya, where the U.S. ambassador and three others were killed though the exact cause of the attacks is under investigation.

    U.S. and Libyan officials are investigating whether the protests in Libya were a cover for militants, possibly al-Qaida sympathizers, to carry out a coordinated attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi and kill Americans. Washington has deployed FBI investigators to try and track down militants behind the attack.

    While the protests intensified over the video, YouTube blocked access to the clip in Libya and Egypt. YouTube cited "the very sensitive situations" in those two countries. Later YouTube also blocked access to the video in India and Indonesia after their governments told Youtube the video broke their laws.

    The controversy underscores how some Internet firms have been thrust into debates over the limits of free speech.
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    Re: Google says it won't take down anti-Muslim clip (at White House request)

    I don't see where they were asked to take it down. They were simply asked to look into the terms of use
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    Re: Google says it won't take down anti-Muslim clip (at White House request)

    Actually, a few months ago or less Google had produced a report detailing the number of removal requests they get from various entities. In particular, Google focused on reporting the number of requests it had received from governments to remove content. Google had every reason to promote itself as an independent party that "does no evil," nevertheless, it reported that it granted governments a very small portion of the requests. It's not so disturbing so much as expected practice by numerous parties, including nation-states.
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    Re: Google says it won't take down anti-Muslim clip (at White House request)

    we've restricted access to it in countries where it is illegal such as India and Indonesia as well as in Libya and Egypt, given the very sensitive situations in these two countries. This approach is entirely consistent with principles we first laid out in 2007."
    They've even limited access to it.
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    Re: Google says it won't take down anti-Muslim clip (at White House request)

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    I don't see where they were asked to take it down. They were simply asked to look into the terms of use
    They mean the same. This was a way to ask them to take it down but still have plausible deniablility since they didn't say so directly. The result would be the same.

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    Re: Google says it won't take down anti-Muslim clip (at White House request)

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    They mean the same. This was a way to ask them to take it down but still have plausible deniablility since they didn't say so directly. The result would be the same.
    Much as I'd love to hate on the government for this one, they didn't ask. They made it clear that it would be nice, didn't push and accepted the answer. I'm okay with wishful thinking when this video is being blamed (possibly rightfully) for starting massive violence.

    No lines crossed imo.
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    Re: Google says it won't take down anti-Muslim clip (at White House request)

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    They mean the same. This was a way to ask them to take it down but still have plausible deniablility since they didn't say so directly. The result would be the same.
    There is a big difference between leaving the decision in google's hands and actually telling them to take it down. You have clearly injected your own paranoia and your desire to anger people into your conclusions. Your opinion is clearly your opinion in this case, and until the US government actually tells them to take it down or suffer consequences they have not crossed any lines in censorship.

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    Re: Google says it won't take down anti-Muslim clip (at White House request)

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    Much as I'd love to hate on the government for this one, they didn't ask.
    As I said. They didn't ask directly. But it would have had the same effect if Google would have taken it down. And I'm not hating on the government.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    They made it clear that it would be nice, didn't push and accepted the answer.
    Of course they did. To do otherwise would be to go against the Constitution.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    I'm okay with wishful thinking when this video is being blamed (possibly rightfully) for starting massive violence.
    Freedom of speech in this country is more important than the feelings of anyone that may potentially be offended by that speech. To say that it is rightful for people to destroy property or even kill based on what a person says, is not a reasonable position to defend (not that that is what you said). The fact that people in this world feel it is reasonable to destroy property and kill over just words, can never be defended, accepted or rationalized in any way by our society.

    However, we cannot judge ourselves by others, and we cannot judge others actions by ours. We can only judge ourselves by our cultural values and standards.

    Cultural differences make it impossible.

    We can and must hold ourselves responsible for maintaining those standards, like freedom of speech, that set us apart from other parts of this world. Do do less, is unthinkable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    No lines crossed imo.
    I agree. I didn't say or imply otherwise. I just pointed out the fact that there was little to no difference in outcome if Google would have taken it down in response. Which they didn't. So there is no 'there', there.

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    Re: Google says it won't take down anti-Muslim clip (at White House request)

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    There is a big difference between leaving the decision in google's hands and actually telling them to take it down. You have clearly injected your own paranoia and your desire to anger people into your conclusions. Your opinion is clearly your opinion in this case, and until the US government actually tells them to take it down or suffer consequences they have not crossed any lines in censorship.
    Firstly, as to the portions which I have made red for highlighting: Are you saying me when you say you?

    As to the rest: I never said they crossed any line. Where and how did you come to that conclusion?

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    Re: Google says it won't take down anti-Muslim clip (at White House request)

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    I don't see where they were asked to take it down. They were simply asked to look into the terms of use
    Google is refusing a White House request to take down
    Huffpos words.

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