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    Re: Google says it won't take down anti-Muslim clip (at White House request)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Actually, a few months ago or less Google had produced a report detailing the number of removal requests they get from various entities. In particular, Google focused on reporting the number of requests it had received from governments to remove content. Google had every reason to promote itself as an independent party that "does no evil," nevertheless, it reported that it granted governments a very small portion of the requests. It's not so disturbing so much as expected practice by numerous parties, including nation-states.
    Its disturbing for the US govt to be trying to censor content on the internet.

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    Re: Google says it won't take down anti-Muslim clip (at White House request)

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Its disturbing for the US govt to be trying to censor content on the internet.

    That depends.

    Honestly - when something has the capacity to start WWIII I think it's legitimate involvement. . . purely for our own interests - not the enemies. If someone is going to cause a major problem that our government and our soldiers worldwide are going to have to clean up I think it brings them into the scope of governance.

    So - the question is: does this current 'video' qualify. . . maybe they'll wear their selves out - but honestly, it's just to late to 'contain' the situation by removing it - it's out, it's done - it's downloaded to every Al Qaeda ipod.
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    Re: Google says it won't take down anti-Muslim clip (at White House request)

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Its disturbing for the US govt to be trying to censor content on the internet.
    No it's not. It's vital that they do censor. The only issue is what they sometimes try to censor.
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    Re: Google says it won't take down anti-Muslim clip (at White House request)

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    That depends.

    Honestly - when something has the capacity to start WWIII I think it's legitimate involvement. . . purely for our own interests - not the enemies. If someone is going to cause a major problem that our government and our soldiers worldwide are going to have to clean up I think it brings them into the scope of governance.

    So - the question is: does this current 'video' qualify. . . maybe they'll wear their selves out - but honestly, it's just to late to 'contain' the situation by removing it - it's out, it's done - it's downloaded to every Al Qaeda ipod.
    No, free speech is free speech. Thats the whole point. There is no situation in which the govt should be pressuring a private citizen to stop publishing speech. The only thing I could ever think of coming close would be state secrets, and even then, Im not for it.

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    Re: Google says it won't take down anti-Muslim clip (at White House request)

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    No, free speech is free speech. Thats the whole point. There is no situation in which the govt should be pressuring a private citizen to stop publishing speech. The only thing I could ever think of coming close would be state secrets, and even then, Im not for it.
    I was thinking of activities that would quickly put someone on a **** list - I don't think this qualifies as such.
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    Re: Google says it won't take down anti-Muslim clip (at White House request)

    If Google gives in. Obama wins.

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    Re: Google says it won't take down anti-Muslim clip (at White House request)

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    They've even limited access to it.
    In countries where it is illegal.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    No, free speech is free speech. Thats the whole point. There is no situation in which the govt should be pressuring a private citizen to stop publishing speech. The only thing I could ever think of coming close would be state secrets, and even then, Im not for it.
    It's not "pressure." You're using the exact phrasing you've been fed. They asked google to look into their own terms of use.
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    Re: Google says it won't take down anti-Muslim clip (at White House request)

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    In countries where it is illegal.



    It's not "pressure." You're using the exact phrasing you've been fed. They asked google to look into their own terms of use.
    When the Executive branch of the most powerful country in the world calls you and asks you to do something, thats called 'pressure'. And since when do we support other countries censorship? They dont have to access youtube and they have no authority over youtube. Youtubes servers are in the united states. People are going to the US to get it. If youtube wants to self censor to please foreign customers, thats their own business, of course.
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    Re: Google says it won't take down anti-Muslim clip (at White House request)

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    It's not "pressure." You're using the exact phrasing you've been fed. They asked google to look into their own terms of use.
    It is most definitely pressure. You tell me when anyone you know would just ignore a request by the POTUS.
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    Re: Google says it won't take down anti-Muslim clip (at White House request)

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It is most definitely pressure. You tell me when anyone you know would just ignore a request by the POTUS.
    Lots of companies when there's no legal heft behind it.

    Google doesn't like the government too much - this isn't the first confrontation over something rights-related. I bet you they feel picked on only because they're the big cheese
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