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REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

Mycroft said:
My opinion is good enough for me. Especially in my own thread.

Trying to rebut my opinion by talking about something unrelated is kind of stupid, though.
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That's great, I'm just saying that by any kind of objective standards your opinion has no validity because its completely unsupported by any kinds of facts or evidence. But hey if thats good enough for you then its good enough for you, no one can make you have a different opinion, but it seems like kind of a low standard, are you sure you aren't intelligent enough to do a little better?
 
Wiseone said:
That's great, I'm just saying that by any kind of objective standards your opinion has no validity because its completely unsupported by any kinds of facts or evidence. But hey if thats good enough for you then its good enough for you, no one can make you have a different opinion, but it seems like kind of a low standard, are you sure you aren't intelligent enough to do a little better?
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Sooo....

What I'm sensing here is that you are grousing about me having an opinion, you not liking or agreeing with my opinion and so you want to make a big deal about it...and then you see fit to question my intelligence.

shrug...

Maybe you should ask me if I care what you think, eh? But you probably already know the answer to that.
 
LowDown said:
Are you freeking kidding? Damn right they were saying that, and a lot of other stuff besides. Like how America was finally getting it's comeuppance. Like how some liberals felt nauseated to see so many American flags flying from windows.

Here is a review of the problems with the left's response to 9-11 from a member of the left:

http://dissentmagazine.org/democratiya/article_pdfs/d12Cottee.pdf
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Oh Okay...so we're playing that game...you delve into the fring of the left to validate what is being said by mainstream conservatives from Romney to Krauthammer.
 
iliveonramen said:
Oh Okay...so we're playing that game...you delve into the fring of the left to validate what is being said by mainstream conservatives from Romney to Krauthammer.
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Yeah, the "fringe." Obama's pastor. A prominent writer at the New York Times. Some of the writers at the Nation. Fringe guys like that.
 
Wiseone said:
I think they understand at least that you need a source to back up claims you make before people are going to believe you. That's how facts work you know. "In my opinion" is not good enough dude.
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In your opinion.

If the object is to state one's own opinion, then of course his opinion is good enough. The individual is the ultimate authority for his own opinion, ipso facto.
 
LowDown said:
In your opinion.

If the object is to state one's own opinion, then of course his opinion is good enough. The individual is the ultimate authority for his own opinion, ipso facto.
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Thank you Mr. Obvious, of course one has the right to one's own opinion. However, there are times where one's opinion is wrong, not "I disagree" kind of wrong, but plain purely factually wrong. This is one of those times.
 
Wiseone said:
Because the Pentagon told me so, also because the blog HAS NO SOURCE. The Pentagon is a source of authority to speak on the matters of the military, the reason should be self evident I hope.
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Once again I'm astonished by how much credibility the Pentagon has with liberals all of a sudden. I guess if you don't want liberals constantly undermining the war effort, undermining the military and attacking the Pentagon you've got to elect a Democratic president.
 
Wiseone said:
Thank you Mr. Obvious, of course one has the right to one's own opinion. However, there are times where one's opinion is wrong, not "I disagree" kind of wrong, but plain purely factually wrong. This is one of those times.
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If you dispute his facts then say that his facts are wrong, not that his opinion is wrong. It's also helpful if you say which facts you're disputing.

By the way, "the Pentagon is the authority on military matters" might be a fact, but it doesn't help settle the issue of what happened in Libya one bit for reasons that used to obvious to liberals.

There is also the sorry spectacle of Ambassador Rice lying through her teeth to shield the Obama Administration from criticism for this debacle even while the President of Libya patiently explains why it can't have been a spontaneous uprising over some movie. If the Administration can debase the office of Ambassador that way then there's very damn little they won't do, including ordering the Pentagon to lie as well.
 
LowDown said:
Once again I'm astonished by how much credibility the Pentagon has with liberals all of a sudden. I guess if you don't want liberals constantly undermining the war effort, undermining the military and attacking the Pentagon you've got to elect a Democratic president.
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I'm not responsible for what other people say or believe, nor am I responsible for whatever stereotypes you have, what I'm responsible for is what I say and what I say alone. And I have never questioned the credibility of the Pentagon, and if I ever were I would certainly have some facts in hand before doing so. Sorry you can't say "Other people have made a certain argument that contradicts your own, therefore you're a hypocrite."

Let me ask you a question, does the Pentagon have any credibility with you? If it does, why the hell is that statement not good enough for you? If it doesn't, then aren't you just as bad as all those liberals?
 
LowDown said:
If you dispute his facts then say that his facts are wrong, not that his opinion is wrong. It's also helpful if you say which facts you're disputing.

By the way, "the Pentagon is the authority on military matters" might be a fact, but it doesn't help settle the issue of what happened in Libya one bit for reasons that used to obvious to liberals.

There is also the sorry spectacle of Ambassador Rice lying through her teeth to shield the Obama Administration from criticism for this debacle even while the President of Libya patiently explains why it can't have been a spontaneous uprising over some movie. If the Administration can debase the office of Ambassador that way then there's very damn little they won't do, including ordering the Pentagon to lie as well.
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He has no facts, thats why his opinion is wrong. I'd love to attack his supporting evidence rather than his conclusion, but he doesn't have any and freely admits it.

I guess you haven't been following this story at all, the claims that Marines weren't allow to carry live ammo is about Egypt, not Libya, this whole topic has nothing to do with Libya. Read up next time, click on a few new sources linked here, because you just showed you don't even know what is going on.
 
Reminds me of the Aliens line where they are first going in to find the civilians and the Srg. tells them to collect ammo because Ripley realized that they are under the coolent part of the factory or whatever and Frost replies... "what are we supposed to use man, harsh language".

Luckily Vasquez doesn't listen and screams "LET'S ROCK!" as she opens a can of whoopass on the Aliens.
 
Wiseone said:
I'm not responsible for what other people say or believe, nor am I responsible for whatever stereotypes you have, what I'm responsible for is what I say and what I say alone. And I have never questioned the credibility of the Pentagon, and if I ever were I would certainly have some facts in hand before doing so. Sorry you can't say "Other people have made a certain argument that contradicts your own, therefore you're a hypocrite."
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Of course, it's possible that a liberal could regard the Pentagon as reliable. It's still surprising to see it happen.

Let me ask you a question, does the Pentagon have any credibility with you?
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No. I trust no bureaucracy. Most especially when El Jefe is in CYA mode, as I alluded to earlier.

Of course, it is also possible that the Administration and the Pentagon are being as pure and truthful as the driven snow, but ... what are the odds?
 
LowDown said:
Of course, it's possible that a liberal could regard the Pentagon as reliable. It's still surprising to see it happen.

No. I trust no bureaucracy. Most especially when El Jefe is in CYA mode, as I alluded to earlier.

Of course, it is also possible that the Administration and the Pentagon are being as pure and truthful as the driven snow, but ... what are the odds?
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You completely missed my point, for a libertarian you have a difficult time understanding the concept of an individual because you seem to insist on lumping me in with whoever else you define as liberal. You can trust or distrust whatever you like, but I certainly hope you don't also believe Marines in Cairo weren't allowed to carry ammo.
 
Wiseone said:
You completely missed my point, for a libertarian you have a difficult time understanding the concept of an individual because you seem to insist on lumping me in with whoever else you define as liberal. You can trust or distrust whatever you like, but I certainly hope you don't also believe Marines in Cairo weren't allowed to carry ammo.
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He didn't miss your point . He avoided it.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
He didn't miss your point . He avoided it.
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No, that point was addressed in my first sentence, which is to say that it was beside the point. Which is to say that Wiseone may have opinion A but the group that he usually agrees with has opinion B, or used to have that opinion in contrast to their current opinion in general, which is the point. I don't know why I've got to consider his opinion outside of any context or background. Lord knows I've been reminded many times that a Libertarian is supposed to think X or Y when I think Z. Wiseone used that one on me himself in a previous message even as he was complaining that I don't consider his individual opinion.

Humans tend to think in categories of people and things lumped together according to shared characteristics. Sometimes this is good and sometimes bad, but it's hardly something that people are going to stop doing.
 
LowDown said:
No, that point was addressed in my first sentence, which is to say that it was beside the point. Which is to say that Wiseone may have opinion A but the group that he usually agrees with has opinion B, or used to have that opinion in contrast to their current opinion in general, which is the point. I don't know why I've got to consider his opinion outside of any context or background. Lord knows I've been reminded many times that a Libertarian is supposed to think X or Y when I think Z. Wiseone used that one on me himself in a previous message even as he was complaining that I don't consider his individual opinion.

Humans tend to think in categories of people and things lumped together according to shared characteristics. Sometimes this is good and sometimes bad, but it's hardly something that people are going to stop doing.
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The point you avoided was that when you paint with a broad brush, as you did, you start from a losing position.

Add to that when you delve into conspiracies, you stand little chance at all.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
The point you avoided was that when you paint with a broad brush, as you did, you start from a losing position.
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So, it's overly broad to say that liberals distrust the Pentagon? Really?

Perhaps I paint with an overly broad brush again, but I've noticed that among liberals there is seldom any opposition to the proposition that "conservatives are stupid." So perhaps it just depends on whose ox is being gored.

Add to that when you delve into conspiracies, you stand little chance at all.
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What conspiracy? That Obama is trying to cover his ass about his current foreign policy debacle? If that's a conspiracy theory then I'd rank it as an especially plausible one.
 
LowDown said:
So, it's overly broad to say that liberals distrust the Pentagon? Really?
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You still don't get it. Of course it is. And you were wrong for assuming wiseone distrusted the Pentagon without knowing where he stands on that. But then again, that's what happens when you paint with a broad brush because you're prejudiced.

LowDown said:
What conspiracy? That Obama is trying to cover his ass about his current foreign policy debacle? If that's a conspiracy theory then I'd rank it as an especially plausible one.
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You're claiming Marines were in harms way without ammo when, not only is there no evidence to support that, but there is evidence to support that is not true ... yet you accept the unverifiable story over the verifiable account.

That's a conspiracy theory.
 
I hope the person responsible for the decision to prevent the troops from using live ammo is immediately removed from their position.
 
Mycroft said:
From my own first-hand experiences in the U.S. Army, I know exactly what it feels like to not be allowed to perform your duty.

Ms. Patterson is an idiot.
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Same here. Right after the North Koreans launched a missile into the Jap sea, we got sent so close to the DMZ you could see the strips of red on the NKA uniforms with some ****ty binoculars. Tensions were high, anything could have happened during the show of force exercise. They gave us blanks.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
You still don't get it. Of course it is. And you were wrong for assuming wiseone distrusted the Pentagon without knowing where he stands on that. But then again, that's what happens when you paint with a broad brush because you're prejudiced.


You're claiming Marines were in harms way without ammo when, not only is there no evidence to support that, but there is evidence to support that is not true ... yet you accept the unverifiable story over the verifiable account.

That's a conspiracy theory.
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It's not entirely a conspiracy theory when one has experienced quite similar situations. Now it enters the realm of the quite possible...maybe probable.
 
Mycroft said:
From my own first-hand experiences in the U.S. Army, I know exactly what it feels like to not be allowed to perform your duty.
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From your own first-hand experiences in the U. S. Army, you should know that the US government deems soldiers to be a dime a dozen.

You should also be familiar with the acronym SOP .
 
iliveonramen said:
Oh Okay...so we're playing that game...you delve into the fring of the left to validate what is being said by mainstream conservatives from Romney to Krauthammer.
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Ah yes, Krauthammer. I have my own copy of Krauthammer 3.01.

[solletica@milkyway ~]$ gcc -o krauthammer krauthammer.c
[solletica@milkyway ~]$ krauthammer
-bash: krauthammer: command not found
[solletica@milkyway ~]$ PATH="$PATH:."
[solletica@milkyway ~]$ krauthammer
JEWS GOOD ARABS BAD!
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Segmentation fault
[solletica@milkyway ~]$
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As you can see, it's somewhat buggy, although I heard Krauthammer 4.0 is coming out soon.
 
solletica said:
From your own first-hand experiences in the U. S. Army, you should know that the US government deems soldiers to be a dime a dozen.

You should also be familiar with the acronym SOP .
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Yeah, and Standard Operating Procedures under people who don't know what the **** they're doing get us killed, while they get to go back to their warm beds at night.
 
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