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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    Clownboy-
    nice to see you answered for Beaudreaux, who I was addressing for his use of 'clips' instead of magazines.

    I was a grunt in the Army.

    Back in my day the M16a1 had a few nicknames, Mattel toy was one of them, I am very much an adult.

    Like I said, some will go to any length to believe what they want to. No proof the Marines were not 'hot', several vets saying they never stood a guard without ammo and in far less dangerous places.

    Nothing this President has done is out of line, what you seem to endorse was the tough line and swaggering cowboy style that created as many problems as MIGHT have been solved. Many wild eyed, bomb them back to the stone age/nuke them all/ whatever ranters here are envoking BushII or even St. Reagan, neither of whom had much success at stopping terrorism.

    Now because I am quite grown-up let me tell you about president Reagan and 1986 bombing you seem to think pounded Ghaddafi into submission-

    (oh FYI he wasn't in the tent when it was bombed so no 'human shield')

    1986 Reagan orders the bombing of key sites to include Ghaddafi's tent.

    in 1987 Libya is fomenting trouble in Australian held trusts, was caught shipping arms to European terrorists, Jorge Haider got 10 million for more Euro-terror from Iraq and Libya.

    The OPM got support in Indonesia

    Libya continued to train paramilitary subversive groups from around the world.

    Now the nut punch to the USofA-

    Lockerbie 1988

    Now look at that date, two years AFTER President Reagan 'pounded' Libya. So he didn't stop anything. Libya continued to train terrorists, ship arms, bankroll terrorists, and then finally pull off a massive terrorist attack of a civilian airliner over Scotland.

    Reagan overall didn't stop anything, from his ill conceived use of Marines in Lebanon (1983) that cost 241 men their lives to the bombing of Libya that was answered by Pam Am flight # 103.

    Nice try at rewriting history...

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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    As I said...I don't necessarily believe what might be a CYA announcement from the Pentagon, but we won't ever know what we can all believe is the truth.

    Obama's habit of lying is coming home to roost.
    And there it is. You have no evidence at all that the report is true in the first place, but you're choosing to believe it because you don't like the president.
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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    This entire thread is stupid because the OP's link had the story wrong.
    Amazing how suddenly left wingers find the Pentagon to be so credible.

    I don't think this is settled yet. No matter how you cut it this was ****ed up beyond all belief.

    Here's the BBC's take on the attack. They report that some of the embassy security people, which consisted in part of Lybians, just dropped their weapons and ran. Those that were left fired back but were out gunned and out manned. It was a well coordinated attack of armed men.

    BBC News - US consulate in Benghazi 'did not have enough security'

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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    You need to read up on your history a bit.There were certainly "more" than 50 killed in the attack on the Marine barracks in Beirut, actually 242 died that day. Five minutes later a second suicide bomber killed 58 French paratroopers at their barracks.

    The bombs were not in taxis but in large delivery trucks. The marines were expecting a delivery of water and allowed the driver to circle the parking lot without trying to stop him. Once he was lined up with the two gates, the bomber accelerated and drove all the way into the lobby of the barracks where the bomb ignited.


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    I do need to read up a bit. I wrote my post from memory knowing that it happened and knowing that Weinberger was actually the one who directed that Marines at the gate would not be locked and loaded. The remainder of the details were fuzzy. I did not, however, change my point.

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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    Lowdown-

    You are slurring your places. The Benghazi CONSULATE is an outpost of the Tripoli EMBASSY. The Pentagon clearly says EMBASSY and is referring to the Cairo EMBASSY.

    Consulates don't have Marine guards as a general rule, they are much smaller complexes compared to the typical US Embassy.

    The attackers were well rehearsed and trained, they neutralized the security team which included at least two former SEALs.

    Had there been Marines at the consulate then that would have complicated the attack but something tells me the attackers would have brought more RPGs and GPMGs.

    I know many on the right want to hang someone for this, and put the blame on President Obama.

    However a small complex with a high priority target flanked by a small security team is vulnerable. it says volumes about both security and the attackers that it has been around 30 years since an Ambassador was killed overseas.

    Now lets look at the catch phrase- Marine Embassy Guard

    Any idea just how many Marines are at an Embassy?

    Any idea what their mission is?

    To start there are approx 1,000 marines for approx 150 locations. Do the math, that is spreading it pretty thin.

    The smallest unit is 6 men.

    The PRIMARY job of the Guard is to safeguard classified documents and equipment.

    So it maybe stretching reality a bit to think adding 6 Marines to the Consulate staff would have prevented the attack from killing the Ambassador.

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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And there it is. You have no evidence at all that the report is true in the first place, but you're choosing to believe it because you don't like the president.
    And given Obama's record of lying, doing everything he can to accept responsibility for his actions and policies and spinning every event to make himself look good...the likelihood of him acting in this manner...in this situation...is entirely consistent. Until I see evidence that he is not, yes...this is what I believe.

    So...show me something, other than his own suspect words and actions, to change my mind.
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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    I do need to read up a bit. I wrote my post from memory knowing that it happened and knowing that Weinberger was actually the one who directed that Marines at the gate would not be locked and loaded. The remainder of the details were fuzzy. I did not, however, change my point.

    If you are serious about reading the story - here's the link to the official USMC history

    US Marines in Lebanon 1982-1984
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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    I do need to read up a bit. I wrote my post from memory knowing that it happened and knowing that Weinberger was actually the one who directed that Marines at the gate would not be locked and loaded. The remainder of the details were fuzzy. I did not, however, change my point.
    They weren't locked and loaded, or they didn't have live rounds?
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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They weren't locked and loaded, or they didn't have live rounds?
    Right, they were not locked and loaded. As I remember hearing it they were directed not to carry loaded weapons on the gate. Other than in training I've never been aware of security carrying blanks. What would be the purpose in that? We were never issued blanks and I never considered they existed in our world. Maybe the Marine Corps is different but I'd be extremely surprised to hear it. I never worked embassy duty though I did work high level security. We always carried weapons and our weapons were always loaded, stateside included. I understand that embassy security is different. Ain't no way it would be right to order security to carry unloaded weapons.
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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    From my own first-hand experiences in the U.S. Army, I know exactly what it feels like to not be allowed to perform your duty.

    Ms. Patterson is an idiot.
    If true it would be terrible, but luckily its not true in the least. Congratulations you've contributed to the disinformation and lies that dominate our information stream.

    http://nation.foxnews.com/us-embassy...tted-live-ammo

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