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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    Beaudreaux-
    What Military did you serve in?

    I ask because I dropped n slopped MAGAZINES in my Mattel toy and charged my MAGAZINES with stripper CLIPS. So I didn't carry any CLIPS on guard duty. Did out in the bush, to reload my MAGAZINES.

    Funny how many want to believe so badly any story they will cling to it no matter what.

    Interesting how many think there was something that could have stopped this IF a 'conservative' was incharge. I seem to recall many terrorist attacks when Reagan was our President. He bombed some tents and killed one girl in that one. Lost a pilot in doing so.

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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Obama does not project strength. His policies are to talk with nothing to back them up, essentially the same as Carter.

    Now, Im not a security expert. But I know that there are several crowd dispersal weapons that are not lethal. Everything from rubber bullets, sting grenades, flash bangs, tear gas, sonics, tasers, water cannons there are a lot of ways to disperse a crowd if you have enough personnel and are well prepared. We were not even badly prepared for what happened or what may be to come.

    As for policy, Obama has accomodated those in opposition to us and refused to stand up for our allies enough that he is projecting weakness. He has a habit of waiting for certainty instead of projecting the idea of someone willing to shape events. The response from the White House was harsher towards Mitt Romney than it was towards those that killed our Ambassador! Thats a national disgrace.
    That's true there are a lot of crowd dispersal technology out there. The question is....is it Marines jobs to disperse crowds on foreign soil? Sure protect our staff....there's no question they have a right (in my opinion) to fire on individuals when their lives or that of the diplomatic staff are threatened. They have no busines dispersing crowds though.

    I always have an issue with the projection of strength. Did Reagan project strength when he ordered US military personel to leave Lebenon? I think it was a good move. This beat your chest machismo bs isn't projecting strength. It makes you sound like some 2 bit dictator. I'll take the guy that's cool under pressure and has a measured response every day of the week..
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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Maybe to point out where Embassies were overrun and people killed on the anniversary of 9/11, with your guy on watch.

    But I almost forgot, he did kill OBL. That and $2.00 will get you on the Metrorail.
    Please...that's offensive. No Liberal was talking about 3 thousand people dying on the watch of George Bush. Instead we were united in finding the culprits and making sure it doesn't happen again. The fact you make some comment shows how partisan and far gone you are.
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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    The more important question would be:

    What is Obama and his band of merry idiots doing?

    Not much, it appears.
    He's dealing with countries that have their own internal politics taking place. Foreign policy isn't "you're either with us or against us". It's a little more complicated so sorry if he doesn't lob missle's into a Pro-American Libyan government controlled country and doesn't land 82 Airborne in the Egyptian Embassy.
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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Please...that's offensive. No Liberal was talking about 3 thousand people dying on the watch of George Bush. Instead we were united in finding the culprits and making sure it doesn't happen again. The fact you make some comment shows how partisan and far gone you are.
    Are you freeking kidding? Damn right they were saying that, and a lot of other stuff besides. Like how America was finally getting it's comeuppance. Like how some liberals felt nauseated to see so many American flags flying from windows.

    Here is a review of the problems with the left's response to 9-11 from a member of the left:

    http://dissentmagazine.org/democrati.../d12Cottee.pdf

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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

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    It would truly help your case if you just tag in the quotes that address 'liberals claiming the USofA is getting it's come uppance'.

    from what I read the dialogue back and forth was the Neo-cons claiming they hate us for our freedoms, and a great number of people from all but the most radical right thinking our constant intervention for tyrants as opposed to interventions for nationalists was causing blowback.

    The problem with such discussions is there are always some wingnuts on BOTH sides who are clueless as to the whys and determined to insert their own agenda into a suck ass situation.

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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    This entire thread is stupid because the OP's link had the story wrong. Reactionaries spouting false or half truths to get people to react negatively towards the president.


    **UPDATE**

    Further Marine spokesman at Pentagon Lt Col Chris Hughes says these reports are NOT true. This is on the record:

    “The Ambassador and RSO have been completely and appropriately engaged with the security situation. No restrictions on weapons or weapons status have been imposed. This information comes from the Det Commander at AMEMB Cairo.”



    Read more: REPORTS: Marines Not Permitted Live Ammo **UPDATE** - US Embassy Attack - Fox Nation
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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    The idea that force or any show of force will in any way deter people who aren't afraid to die.
    Who are you talking about?
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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Beaudreaux-
    What Military did you serve in?
    Ours, and faithfully. How about you?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I ask because I dropped n slopped MAGAZINES in my Mattel toy and charged my MAGAZINES with stripper CLIPS. So I didn't carry any CLIPS on guard duty. Did out in the bush, to reload my MAGAZINES.
    Go back to playing with your toys then, adults are having a discussion.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Funny how many want to believe so badly any story they will cling to it no matter what.
    Also interesting how some who wouldn't ordinarily believe an obvious CYA release from the Pentagon jump to when it suits their bias.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Interesting how many think there was something that could have stopped this IF a 'conservative' was incharge. I seem to recall many terrorist attacks when Reagan was our President. He bombed some tents and killed one girl in that one. Lost a pilot in doing so.
    Nonsense. Not stopped, the difference is in responce. And not liberal or conservative POTUS, hell Clinton would have responded without feeling the protesters pain. It's about THIS president, and HIS response.

    As for Reagan, you left something out - Ghadaffi stopped ****ing with the US for decades after Reagan pounded him. And the dead girl you so flippantly trot out was part of a human shield Ghadaffi thought would protect him.

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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    This isn't the first time, Mags. The Marine barracks were bombed in Beirut when a yellow cab raced through the gate unchallenged and detonated by the Marine barracks killing 50 or more people. The Marines at the gate were not carrying loaded weapons. It was Sec. of Defense Casper Weinberger, under Ronald Reagan who was responsible for that directive. Nothing happened to Weinberger.

    Washington never learns or either they don't really care that much about the troops. My opinion is that it is both.

    You need to read up on your history a bit.There were certainly "more" than 50 killed in the attack on the Marine barracks in Beirut, actually 242 died that day. Five minutes later a second suicide bomber killed 58 French paratroopers at their barracks.

    The bombs were not in taxis but in large delivery trucks. The marines were expecting a delivery of water and allowed the driver to circle the parking lot without trying to stop him. Once he was lined up with the two gates, the bomber accelerated and drove all the way into the lobby of the barracks where the bomb ignited.


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