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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    In what way? What exactly is Romney advocating? Bombing a pro-USA Libyian government? Sending marines to mow down protestors? How about after the release of a video that is purposely offensive he comes out saying that the Middle East needs to suck it up.

    What exactly is Romney's policy in this decision? Be dumb but loud and bellicose?
    Obama does not project strength. His policies are to talk with nothing to back them up, essentially the same as Carter.

    Now, Im not a security expert. But I know that there are several crowd dispersal weapons that are not lethal. Everything from rubber bullets, sting grenades, flash bangs, tear gas, sonics, tasers, water cannons there are a lot of ways to disperse a crowd if you have enough personnel and are well prepared. We were not even badly prepared for what happened or what may be to come.

    As for policy, Obama has accomodated those in opposition to us and refused to stand up for our allies enough that he is projecting weakness. He has a habit of waiting for certainty instead of projecting the idea of someone willing to shape events. The response from the White House was harsher towards Mitt Romney than it was towards those that killed our Ambassador! Thats a national disgrace.

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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    Do these Islamists drink beer?

    Perhaps another beer summit is in order.

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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    I've heard stories. None of them good.
    One of the most distasteful is an old story. At one of the texas AFB's a medal of honor recipient was part of the honor guard. The general that met the clinton's told Chelsea that one of the men was a hero and had earned the MOH. Chelsea stopped to talk to him and hilary grabbed her daughter's arm and said something like "we don't have time to spend on the help"

    People bashed Bush's military service but a JAG officer in my office (Lt Colonel USAR-retired) noted that bush knew how to properly salute military men and he knew damn well that when he met a MOH recipient he was to salute first. Clinton never figured that out but the officers and agents I know said they liked BIll. ITs his wife they despised

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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Obama does not project strength. His policies are to talk with nothing to back them up, essentially the same as Carter.

    Now, Im not a security expert. But I know that there are several crowd dispersal weapons that are not lethal. Everything from rubber bullets, sting grenades, flash bangs, tear gas, sonics, tasers, water cannons there are a lot of ways to disperse a crowd if you have enough personnel and are well prepared. We were not even badly prepared for what happened or what may be to come.

    As for policy, Obama has accomodated those in opposition to us and refused to stand up for our allies enough that he is projecting weakness. He has a habit of waiting for certainty instead of projecting the idea of someone willing to shape events. The response from the White House was harsher towards Mitt Romney than it was towards those that killed our Ambassador! Thats a national disgrace.
    I'm pretty sure the world knows that if you piss off America Obama will send the robots to kill you and anybody nearby.

    Scarier than simply bombing the **** out of anybody who doesnt lick our butt.
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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    What is the fricking point of HAVING Marine guards if you don't let them have ammo for their weapons?
    Psst. Story has been retracted.

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Obama does not project strength. His policies are to talk with nothing to back them up, essentially the same as Carter.

    Now, Im not a security expert. But I know that there are several crowd dispersal weapons that are not lethal. Everything from rubber bullets, sting grenades, flash bangs, tear gas, sonics, tasers, water cannons there are a lot of ways to disperse a crowd if you have enough personnel and are well prepared. We were not even badly prepared for what happened or what may be to come.

    As for policy, Obama has accomodated those in opposition to us and refused to stand up for our allies enough that he is projecting weakness. He has a habit of waiting for certainty instead of projecting the idea of someone willing to shape events. The response from the White House was harsher towards Mitt Romney than it was towards those that killed our Ambassador! Thats a national disgrace.
    Ask all the dead Al-Qaeda leaders about Obama projecting strength. Thanks.

    You're wrong about the WH's response, by the way.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Ask all the dead Al-Qaeda leaders about Obama projecting strength. Thanks.

    You're wrong about the WH's response, by the way.
    There's a fallacy with some of these detractors isn't there?

    The idea that force or any show of force will in any way deter people who aren't afraid to die.

    "They did what they did because they don't respect Obama or America".

    Well if that's the case than George Bush had 0 respect didn't he?

    OH **** LOGIC, MAKE IT STOP!

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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    From my own first-hand experiences in the U.S. Army, I know exactly what it feels like to not be allowed to perform your duty.

    Ms. Patterson is an idiot.
    This is unbelievable. Honestly, I can't believe it. She should be prosecuted, in my opinion. This is just gross negligence. This should not be one individual's decision. We should have a national police. And it should include our having the ability to defend ourselves on our own soil if we are attacked.
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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    This is unbelievable. Honestly, I can't believe it. She should be prosecuted, in my opinion. This is just gross negligence. This should not be one individual's decision. We should have a national police. And it should include our having the ability to defend ourselves on our own soil if we are attacked.
    Yes, it is unbelievable. You should trust those instincts.


    (because it's not actually true.)
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    I know that there are several crowd dispersal weapons that are not lethal. Everything from rubber bullets, sting grenades, flash bangs, tear gas, sonics, tasers, water cannons there are a lot of ways to disperse a crowd if you have enough personnel and are well prepared. We were not even badly prepared for what happened or what may be to come.
    Exactly. That's why we should be prepared to use a graduated system of defense for non-combat situations. The problem is that I don't think any country will give us enough space for the ideal tactical situation for something like that.

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    Re: REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I'll give some military experience about guards and ammo.

    My wife was in ASA, a Morse code intercept operator. They eavesdropped on the Warsaw Pact's encoded CW transmissions. Their annual eval included them 'guarding' their building and barracks for a few days with empty weapons.

    I was a grunt and we often pulled guard on the entire base in rotation with the other combat arm units. I NEVER, say again NEVER stood guard without ammo. Not even back in Ft. Lewis at the main PX, or the old barracks used as supply buildings.

    It would be interesting to find out who is saying embassy guards stand post without ammo. Internet friends of a friend don't count.
    I was USAF Security Police. We carried loaded weapons when we were on duty, period. We were always armed and our weapons were always loaded. Always.

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