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Nice word salad, Pete, but where's your support?
You too fast in replying.. did a minor add after that
Nice word salad, Pete, but where's your support?
Cons are just mad that they can't go to the Dem covention and throw things at cameramen. You know, like the liberal plants at the Repub convention (the Con Con?)
Oh, boo hoo hoo. I "know" no such thing; I do know you're crafting a silly tale of woe where they can somehow manage to vote, but they're too helpless to obtain an ID, even with assistance. "What if the DMV is further away than the voting booth," you said. Well, what if it's NOT?
That's funny; what I said was that they got started long ago, and obviously, they did. Now that the card is available, sixty days strikes me as an eminently reasonable period of time to get it done, if you want to.
I don't know if you're doing this on purpose, but that's not what I asked. You said the state offices don't have the capacity to process all of these new voter IDs in time for the election. Where's your evidence of this?
Nice race-card vomit you spew there.
Income.. income for the love of god. 25 bucks is a lot of money for a huge portion of the American population. It is the difference between feeding your children or not. And like it or not, most "poor" city people vote Democratic.. and you try to deny that.. then forget this discussion because then you are not living on planet earth.
Whatever do you mean? That 13-second clip didn't convince you that requiring voter identification is all part of some evil plot?
Heh.
Apparently you can't conceive of someone merely having a different view without it being for nefarious reasons.
Poor people can also get identification. They should have identification too. Everybody SHOULD. It's only common sense and not an outrageous request.
It's not a barrier at all. You cannot cash a check without identification.
In some counties, you can be arrested for vagrancy if you have no ID.
It is not in any way unreasonable to expect voters to have an identification.
Actions of the GOP in individual states. They could implement these ID programs for free.. but they have not. Instead they have put in road blocks that have made getting an ID cost money or you have to jump through more loopholes than Romney uses to get his 13% tax rate.
Point is, it is not so "simple" to get such IDs that are accepted during voting and those that will get hurt by such laws are more than often... democratic voters.
You are talking silly now. I've been poor. I've always had identification too. My grandmother is 90 years old. She has identification too. That is a cop-out. The only people who would TRULY be affected "negatively" by this would be illegal immigrants.
Does it need to be Nationwide? What about in Key-States only?
What happened with Minnesota and Franken and having Convicted Ex Felons voting for him while being locked up?
Guess what.. I agree! However what the GOP is doing in many states is an outrageous request for some. A 80+ year old that was born during a time where getting a birth certificate was not a standard thing.. how on earth can he or she get a voter ID when one of the requirements is to present your birth certificate? I understand fully the wish to prevent the very very little voter fraud that there is, but there must be a way to do it so it impacts as little as possible and makes it possible for everyone regardless of race, sex, age and income to get such a voter ID so that they can vote in elections.
Yes, how will those rednecks figure out how to obtain an identification? It's just a completely ridiculous argument.
So you got that ID when you were poor, or after or before?
And your grandmother, was she born in the deep south or backwards areas of the US? You do realize that birth certificates were not the norm at the beginning of the last century and before, in very rural poor areas right?
There is an easy solution to this all... a personal ID system given to you at birth/citizenship... it is simple and easy, but as I stated.. wont happen.
You clearly don't understand how logic works. "What if it's not" is not a valid objection
Does 500 voter ID forms per DMV per day (in addition to regular work) still sound eminently reasonable to you? Have you ever been to a DMV? :roll:
What kind of IDs should I bring to the polls in November?
Starting on November 6, you must prove your identity by showing one of the following photo IDs issued by:
The United States government, e.g., a U.S. passport
The Commonwealth of PA, e.g., a driver’s license (NOTE: An expired driver’s license is okay as long as it is within 12 months after the expiration date)
A PA municipality (e.g., city, county, borough, incorporated town) to municipal employees
An accredited PA public or private institution of higher learning, e.g., a student card
A PA care facility, which includes a long‐term care nursing facility, an assisted living residence or a personal care home
U.S. Armed Forces branches or their reserves, including the PA National Guard (NOTE: The ID holder can be a veteran or current member; the expiration date can be indefinite.)
Laws that specifically aim to disenfranchise minority voters, BECAUSE they are minority voters, without actually mentioning race = Jim Crow Laws.
This is absolutely a fair description of these voter ID laws. And anyone who supports them is absolutely supporting Jim Crow Laws. Your views on this are reprehensible and disgusting.
Kinda like Street People and Bangers in Chicago, NY, and L. A......Huh?
It's not a barrier at all. You cannot cash a check without identification. In some counties, you can be arrested for vagrancy if you have no ID. It is not in any way unreasonable to expect voters to have an identification.
No, you can have a different view on many issues without it being for nefarious reasons...social security, abortion, tax policy, etc. But when you specifically support a law that will disproportionately disenfranchise minority voters, and you do it without even PRETENDING like you have evidence of a problem that this will solve, then it is absolutely for nefarious reasons. Civil rights laws are a completely different animal than, say, what the marginal tax rate should be.
Mike Turzai, the Pennsylvania GOP House majority leader, said that a strict new voter ID law will help Republicans win the state for the first time since 1988.
"Pro-Second Amendment? The Castle Doctrine, it’s done. First pro-life legislation -- abortion facility regulations -- in 22 years, done. Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done," he said to applause at a Republican State Committee this weekend, according to PoliticsPa.com.
The comment contradicted the usual Republican line that voter ID laws are for guarding against voter fraud -- which is extremely rare if not nonexistent in practice -- and not to help elect Republicans. Pennsylvania passed a new law in March through a GOP-led legislature requiring voters to show a driver's license or government issued photo ID before voting.
Also just how does one get a passport without an ID? A MAJOR credit card? How does one claim property that has been stolen and recovered without an ID? Checks, money orders, the same.
Also most high schools give out a student ID. Also I believe Identification is needed to access a Library. Not to mention College Universites Give out ID's.
Concerning some voter Fraud thats has been going on for quite some time. Is due to college kids voting at the Universities which they attend even in other states. Plus Still voting in their own home state.
Republicans who support such voter suppression legislation have not hidden their true agenda
Mike Turzai, Pennsylvania GOP House Majority Leader: Voter ID Will Allow Mitt Romney To Win State
Pennsylvania House leader Mike Turzai came out and said the law would deliver Pennsylvania to the GOP.
So lets stop pretending that this issue is about something else other than gaining a partisan advantage to help the GOP win elections it cannot now win.
Does it need to be Nationwide? What about in Key-States only? What happened with Minnesota and Franken and having Convicted Ex Felons voting for him while being locked up?
Evidence from key states (or non-key states) is fine too. Really I'm looking for *any* evidence of voter fraud from *anywhere* in the country, as I have seen absolutely none.
OK, now we're getting somewhere. This is at least an attempt at some evidence of voter fraud, which is more than the proponents of voter ID are usually willing to do. So I'll hear you out: How many ineligible voters voted for Al Franken? And what was the circumstances of their vote? What I mean by this is...was their name simply not purged from the voter rolls as it should have been, or did they vote in someone else's name? If it's the former, then a voter ID will not solve this problem.
That's right! The world is much more complicated now than it was 50 or 100 years ago. Today, having proper identification is a necessity.
They should also be checked. I think it is prudent to use every measure that is not unreasonable at our disposable to prevent any occurrence of fraud. Requiring certain identification to cast a ballot is not unreasonable.