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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Not only that, but I recall being told many times, that most of the poor in trailer parks, swilling beer, are (R) voters. So if requiring ID would hurt either side, wouldn't it hurt both equally?
    Yes, how will those rednecks figure out how to obtain an identification? It's just a completely ridiculous argument.

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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    A person needs an ID for some many important things in life, yet suddenly when this issue is raised, Democrat voters apparently don't have them. Are they the same Democrat voters that don't have cell phones, TVs, DVD players, or just the homeless? What is it that keeps them from obtaining an ID? All state DMVs issue pure IDs. If only citizens age 18 and older are allowed to vote, then it is implied that one must be able to prove their citizenship. If fact you are only allowed to vote in the district in which you live; is this not also an infringement on your right to vote? Why should the state be allowed to control where you vote? A vote is a vote, isn't it?

    So all this hoopla about the requirement of an ID being unfair is just that. There can be only one reason to argue against it, and that is the need to leave a loophole of criminal activity. The same people that argue against this, support the requirement to register firearms (a constitutionally protected right).
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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Give me a break. It is not HARD to get an identification. People who don't drive are not helpless! That is such a lame excuse if I've ever heard one. Minorities and people who don't drive can still get out to vote, and they can go and obtain a voter identification too.
    I already explained the distinction between voting and getting a voter ID. Try to keep up with the thread. Not to mention that every additional hoop to jump through is one more barrier to voting, in order to solve a problem that doesn't exist.
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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Except there is none here. The official US Constitution mentions the right to vote five times in five different places. Sadly, it never mentions the right to attend a political convention.

    Equating opposition to an effort to diminsh and supress the Constitutional right to vote in pubic elections with an effort to maintain security at a private function is ludicrous and outright ridiculous.
    Yes the right to vote is clearly mentioned in the constitution in that if you meet certain requirements you have that right. There is no reason legitimate ID should not be one of the requirements you have to meet.

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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This is just dumb.
    Yes, I'm sure partisan politics has nothing to do with it. And that's the farthest thing from the minds of the elected officials who enacted these odious Jim Crow laws.
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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yes, I'm sure partisan politics has nothing to do with it. And that's the farthest thing from the minds of the elected officials who enacted these odious Jim Crow laws.
    Heh.

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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I already explained the distinction between voting and getting a voter ID. Try to keep up with the thread. Not to mention that every additional hoop to jump through is one more barrier to voting, in order to solve a problem that doesn't exist.
    It's not a barrier at all. You cannot cash a check without identification. In some counties, you can be arrested for vagrancy if you have no ID. It is not in any way unreasonable to expect voters to have an identification.

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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    In my state, I'd support a system in which a photo is taken at time of registration and becomes part of the registration rolls at the polling place. That way, identity can be confirmed when the registered voter signs in prior to voting. Seems like an easy way to ensure that the person who registered and the person who is voting are the same actual person.

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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    A 13-second You Tube clip!
    I generally don't engage Youtube. People who use it as their argument are almost always conspiracy theorists, racists and/or Jew haters (and, rarely, fundies). I think it might take that level of cognitive shut-down to induce a blunder the likes of Argumentum ad Youtubem.

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    This is just dumb.
    You're probably correct. There are fun debates to be had.

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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    How are democratic voters going to be hurt by an identification? A democratic voter is not any less or more able to get an identification than anyone else, including those who have no party preference. The same standards would apply to all.
    Income.. income for the love of god. 25 bucks is a lot of money for a huge portion of the American population. It is the difference between feeding your children or not. And like it or not, most "poor" city people vote Democratic.. and you try to deny that.. then forget this discussion because then you are not living on planet earth.
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