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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Actions of the GOP in individual states. They could implement these ID programs for free.. but they have not. Instead they have put in road blocks that have made getting an ID cost money or you have to jump through more loopholes than Romney uses to get his 13% tax rate.
    And you have concrete examples of this, especially where such "road blocks" are put in intentionally?

    Point is, it is not so "simple" to get such IDs that are accepted during voting and those that will get hurt by such laws are more than often... democratic voters.
    Well, that's the Democrat party line, anyway.
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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    And you have concrete examples of this, especially where such "road blocks" are put in intentionally?


    Well, that's the Democrat party line, anyway.
    Yes it is, but they are in this case ... quite right in a large number of cases.
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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Actions of the GOP in individual states. They could implement these ID programs for free.. but they have not. Instead they have put in road blocks that have made getting an ID cost money or you have to jump through more loopholes than Romney uses to get his 13% tax rate.

    Point is, it is not so "simple" to get such IDs that are accepted during voting and those that will get hurt by such laws are more than often... democratic voters.
    How are democratic voters going to be hurt by an identification? A democratic voter is not any less or more able to get an identification than anyone else, including those who have no party preference. The same standards would apply to all.

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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Oh, come on. That's weak. You must know that.
    I provided four different reasons why someone might not get a voter ID despite wanting to vote, all of which are legitimate concerns to some people. Not everyone lives the same lifestyle you do; some people simply can't take time off work to wait in line at the DMV, or don't have a car to get there, or don't follow the news closely enough to know that they even need to do anything. If the best response you have is "that's weak," it's quite obvious that you know perfectly well that voter ID laws are indefensible and unconscionable.

    One more time -- that depends on when you get started, doesn't it? Besides, it doesn't have to apply to this election. And if it does, the states which have put it in place got started long ago.
    This is simply not correct. For example, Pennsylvania's law is still slated to go into effect for this election, and they just made the new voter ID card available last week.
    New Pa. voter ID card available Tuesday | 6abc.com

    This objection goes away completely if it doesn't take effect until, say, 2014.
    Yeah, but in many states it DOESN'T go into effect in 2014; you don't just get to pretend the reality is whatever you'd like it to be. Furthermore, all of the other objections I mentioned still apply regardless of when it takes effect.

    And that's even taking for the sake of argument that it's actually a problem. Do you have evidence -- you know, the same kind of evidence you're demanding to show that voter fraud is a problem; real evidence -- which indicates it is, or are you just assuming it's likely because it seems reasonable?
    Why yes, as a matter of fact I do. As many as 11% of voters lack a government-issued photo ID...with the proportion even higher among minorities, poor people, seniors, and students.
    Voter ID | Brennan Center for Justice

    There was a point to it.
    And yet you STILL didn't provide any evidence of an actual problem that voter ID will stop. AGAIN.
    Just admit it: You know goddamn well that no such problem exists, and you want to do it anyway because you think it will help Republicans win elections if black people can't vote.
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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

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    Yes it is, but they are in this case ... quite right in a large number of cases.
    Funny, but for these "large number of cases," you've produced no support other than a vague 13-second video clip with no context whatsoever.
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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

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    Yes it is, but they are in this case ... quite right in a large number of cases.
    OMG! A 13-second You Tube clip!!! LOL~

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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    How are democratic voters going to be hurt by an identification? A democratic voter is not any less or more able to get an identification than anyone else, including those who have no party preference. The same standards would apply to all.
    Not only that, but I recall being told many times, that most of the poor in trailer parks, swilling beer, are (R) voters. So if requiring ID would hurt either side, wouldn't it hurt both equally?
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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I provided four different reasons why someone might not get a voter ID despite wanting to vote, all of which are legitimate concerns to some people. Not everyone lives the same lifestyle you do; some people simply can't take time off work to wait in line at the DMV, or don't have a car to get there, or don't follow the news closely enough to know that they even need to do anything. If the best response you have is "that's weak," it's quite obvious that you know perfectly well that voter ID laws are indefensible and unconscionable.



    This is simply not correct. For example, Pennsylvania's law is still slated to go into effect for this election, and they just made the new voter ID card available last week.
    New Pa. voter ID card available Tuesday | 6abc.com



    Yeah, but in many states it DOESN'T go into effect in 2014; you don't just get to pretend the reality is whatever you'd like it to be. Furthermore, all of the other objections I mentioned still apply regardless of when it takes effect.



    Why yes, as a matter of fact I do. As many as 11% of voters lack a government-issued photo ID...with the proportion even higher among minorities, poor people, seniors, and students.
    Voter ID | Brennan Center for Justice



    And yet you STILL didn't provide any evidence of an actual problem that voter ID will stop. AGAIN.
    Just admit it: You know goddamn well that no such problem exists, and you want to do it anyway because you think it will help Republicans win elections if black people can't vote.
    Give me a break. It is not HARD to get an identification. People who don't drive are not helpless! That is such a lame excuse if I've ever heard one. Minorities and people who don't drive can still get out to vote, and they can go and obtain a voter identification too.

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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Just admit it: You know goddamn well that no such problem exists, and you want to do it anyway because you think it will help Republicans win elections if black people can't vote.
    This is just dumb.

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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I provided four different reasons why someone might not get a voter ID despite wanting to vote, all of which are legitimate concerns to some people. Not everyone lives the same lifestyle you do; some people simply can't take time off work to wait in line at the DMV, or don't have a car to get there, or don't follow the news closely enough to know that they even need to do anything. If the best response you have is "that's weak," it's quite obvious that you know perfectly well that voter ID laws are indefensible and unconscionable.
    Oh, boo hoo hoo. I "know" no such thing; I do know you're crafting a silly tale of woe where they can somehow manage to vote, but they're too helpless to obtain an ID, even with assistance. "What if the DMV is further away than the voting booth," you said. Well, what if it's NOT?


    This is simply not correct. For example, Pennsylvania's law is still slated to go into effect for this election, and they just made the new voter ID card available last week.
    New Pa. voter ID card available Tuesday | 6abc.com
    That's funny; what I said was that they got started long ago, and obviously, they did. Now that the card is available, sixty days strikes me as an eminently reasonable period of time to get it done, if you want to.


    Yeah, but in many states it DOESN'T go into effect in 2014; you don't just get to change the facts because you don't like them.
    I didn't "change" anything; I presented a scenario.

    Furthermore, all of the other objections I mentioned still apply.
    What, even the transparently specious ones?

    Why yes, as a matter of fact I do. As many as 11% of voters lack a government-issued photo ID...with the proportion even higher among minorities, poor people, seniors, and students.
    Voter ID | Brennan Center for Justice
    I don't know if you're doing this on purpose, but that's not what I asked. You said the state offices don't have the capacity to process all of these new voter IDs in time for the election. Where's your evidence of this?


    And yet you STILL didn't provide any evidence of an actual problem that voter ID will stop. AGAIN.
    Just admit it: You know goddamn well that no such problem exists, and you want to do it anyway because you think it will help Republicans win elections if black people can't vote.
    Nice race-card vomit you spew there. It might be time for another one of your self-imposed exiles, if your blood pressure is up this high again.
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