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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    And what's not mentioned is the assistance offered to these people to get one.
    Even with such assistance, chances are many of them will not get the proper ID because they don't know about it, or because they don't have time to wait in line during business hours (when many people work), or because they can't get to a facility to get such assistance. Furthermore, it is EXTREMELY unlikely that even if all registered voters were somehow notified of this and made the commitment to get the proper ID, that states would even be able to process them all by November.

    And once AGAIN, there is no evidence that the "problem" this purports to solve actually exists at all.
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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by jerry7 View Post
    Actually I was contrasting the ability of poor, minority and elderly democratic convention goers to obtain a photo ID with the inability of poor, minority and elderly democratic voters to obtain a photo ID. It would seem safe to assume that the difficulties, if they exist, would be equal for each group. It would be interesting to find out how many people werer turned away for not having ID.
    Not just anybody can go to a political party's convention. You have to be elected as a delegate. You're comparing apples and kiwi fruits.


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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Not just anybody can go to a political party's convention. You have to be elected as a delegate. You're comparing apples and kiwi fruits.
    There's 5500 delegates and about 400 alternates. There's 21,000 people expected at Obama's speech in the convention hall. So much for apples and kiwis.

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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Even with such assistance, chances are many of them will not get the proper ID because they don't know about it, or because they don't have time to wait in line during business hours (when many people work), or because they can't get to a facility to get such assistance.
    Yet they can successfully vote?


    Furthermore, it is EXTREMELY unlikely that even if all registered voters were somehow notified of this and made the commitment to get the proper ID, that states would even be able to process them all by November.
    That depends on when you start, does it not?

    And once AGAIN, there is no evidence that the "problem" this purports to solve actually exists at all.
    Oh, since when did evidence of an actual problem stop, say, Democrats from pushing forth a Really Good Idea That Just Makes Sense(TM)? I doubt very much this is the source of much real objection.
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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yet they can successfully vote?
    Sure, because 1) the polling place might be closer than the DMV or wherever they get their ID, 2) it usually doesn't take as long, 3) many people vote at some point other than during business hours on Election Day, 4) everyone interested in voting knows they need to vote whereas they don't all know they need voter ID.

    That depends on when you start, does it not?
    Yes, but many of these states are at nowhere near enough capacity to process all these voter IDs by Election Day.

    Oh, since when did evidence of an actual problem stop, say, Democrats from pushing forth a Really Good Idea That Just Makes Sense(TM)? I doubt very much this is the source of much real objection.
    I notice you opted to bash the evil liberals again, instead of providing evidence of an actual problem that voter ID will stop. Not surprising.
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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Sure, because 1) the polling place might be closer than the DMV or wherever they get their ID, 2) it usually doesn't take as long, 3) many people vote at some point other than during business hours on Election Day, 4) everyone interested in voting knows they need to vote whereas they don't all know they need voter ID.
    Oh, come on. That's weak. You must know that.


    Yes, but many of these states are at nowhere near enough capacity to process all these voter IDs by Election Day.
    One more time -- that depends on when you get started, doesn't it? Besides, it doesn't have to apply to this election. And if it does, the states which have put it in place got started long ago.

    This objection goes away completely if it doesn't take effect until, say, 2014. And that's even taking for the sake of argument that it's actually a problem. Do you have evidence -- you know, the same kind of evidence you're demanding to show that voter fraud is a problem; real evidence -- which indicates it is, or are you just assuming it's likely because it seems reasonable?


    I notice you opted to bash the evil liberals again, instead of providing evidence of an actual problem that voter ID will stop. Not surprising.
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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Although there are differences between the two I do think it is a pretty good example of the hypocrisy in politics or An Inconvenient Principle. For those of you who have never heard it youtube "Love Me I'm A Liberal". It's an old Phil Ochs song that's been updated many times over the years. Written over 40 years ago and the only thing that changes are the names

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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Voter ID = Common Sense. Voter ID is an excellent idea. It is easy to get an ID. It costs $25-$35 at the RMV for a photo ID. Preventing fraud is ALWAYS a good idea even if some people just don't get it at all.

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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Voter ID = Common Sense. Voter ID is an excellent idea. It is easy to get an ID. It costs $25-$35 at the RMV for a photo ID. Preventing fraud is ALWAYS a good idea even if some people just don't get it at all.
    25-35 dollars is a few weeks food for quite a lot of people these days. While I agree voter ID is common sense, the fact that the present attempts by the GOP is only done to marginalize people of colour or/and in poverty.. only makes it a problem. Give the voter ID out for free... then no problem, but we both know that wont go down well for the GOP.
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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

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