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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Perhaps this will answer your question.....

    In the '08 campaign, Republican Sen. Norm Coleman was running for re-election against Democrat Al Franken. It was impossibly close; on the morning after the election, after 2.9 million people had voted, Coleman led Franken by 725 votes.

    Franken and his Democratic allies dispatched an army of lawyers to challenge the results. After the first canvass, Coleman's lead was down to 206 votes. That was followed by months of wrangling and litigation. In the end, Franken was declared the winner by 312 votes. He was sworn into office in July 2009, eight months after the election.

    During the controversy, a conservative group called Minnesota Majority began to look into claims of voter fraud. Comparing criminal records with voting rolls, the group identified 1,099 felons -- all ineligible to vote -- who had voted in the Franken-Coleman race.

    When 1,099 Felons Vote In A Race Won By 312 Ballots - Byron York - Page 1
    Nothing in your article suggests that they impersonated another voter though. If they were just allowed to vote because their names were not purged from the voter rolls as they should have been, then requiring a voter ID will not prevent this from happening again.
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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yes, mine are valid and yours are not, because voter ID laws affect lots of INDIVIDUAL people. Ergo, the response to your "what it it's not?"
    Oh, please. My "what if" was exactly the same one as yours, and quite purposely so. So, in effect, if yours is valid is mine is not, it's because you think I'm a knuckle-dragging troglodyte and that your farts smell like Febreze.


    We are talking about people who DON'T already have any of those forms of ID. If they need to get an ID solely to vote, presumably they'll go with the one that's cheapest and easiest to obtain (i.e. a driver's license). They aren't going to shell out over $100 for a passport they won't use, or join the army, or go back to college, or get a municipal job just so that they have a voter ID.
    There were more options than even that.



    And once again you fail to understand how to have a logical discussion. If there is even one jurisdiction in the entire state for which this will be a problem, then it shouldn't go into effect (especially a jurisdiction as large as Philadelphia). The whole point of the law is that it will hit urban/minority areas like Philadelphia harder than it will hit rural ****splat, PA.
    Not when you characterized the problem as one of "states."


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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I'm relatively sure he's far more concerned about 1099 felons voting the race, point being that the fraudulent votes were greater than the margin of victory, whoever it was who happened to win.
    But wouldn't it make sense to basically assume that the votes split about the same as the other votes, which would be approximately 50% either way?

    Even for that to be a problem, you have to assume that Franken won that vote by a 70-30 margin. Which is a big assumption, IMO, unless you are a rabid partisan who only believes that Democrats are capable of skulduggery.


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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    But wouldn't it make sense to basically assume that the votes split about the same as the other votes, which would be approximately 50% either way?

    Even for that to be a problem, you have to assume that Franken won that vote by a 70-30 margin. Which is a big assumption, IMO, unless you are a rabid partisan who only believes that Democrats are capable of skulduggery.

    Who cares how it splits, or who won? They were 1099 felons ineligible to vote. That is a problem all by itself, directly relevant to this discussion.
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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    It's not about trying to overturn it. It's about proving that the Demo deliberately Committed Voter Fraud in Minnesota. which with all those convictions. Just how does the Demo party get out of it.....Besides lieing to the AMerican People or Even the Minnesota People.
    So of the 1099 illegal votes, you know for a fact that Franken got 70% of it?


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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Who cares how it splits, or who won? They were 1099 felons ineligible to vote. That is a problem all by itself.
    And none of them voted with fake ID. They showed up to vote, and had they been asked for ID, they probably would have produced it and voted no problem.


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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    And none of them voted with fake ID. They showed up to vote, and had they been asked for ID, they probably would have produced it and voted no problem.
    Who said anything about a fake ID?
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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    In the United States...only 17 states even require identification in order to vote. Holder & Co., claim that requiring photo ID would be racist, because getting a driver’s license, etc., costs money. This claim has consistently been rejected by courts, and with good reason: If requiring photo ID to vote is racist, then what about requiring photo ID to exercise other constitutional rights, like buying a gun?

    Voters understand this. According to a Washington Post poll taken earlier this month, 74 percent of Americans support laws requiring voters to show photo identification.

    Related: How many dead voters are on the rolls (and hence open to manipulation and fraud)? Politico reports that one in eight voter registrations "is not valid or has significant inaccuracies." Plus:

    There also are more than 1.8 million deceased people who still have active registration on voter rolls, Pew [Center on the States] found. And, [Pew's David] Becker said, the outdated, inefficient systems currently in place are “not designed to keep up with deaths as they occur.....snip~

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...t-vote-12.html


    ..... It just keeps getting worse and worst when it comes to Demos.

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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Oh, please. My "what if" was exactly the same one as yours, and quite purposely so. So, in effect, if yours is valid is mine is not, it's because you think I'm a knuckle-dragging troglodyte and that your farts smell like Febreze.
    Nope. The whole point of the law is that it affects SOME people more than it affects others. Pointing out that some people will not be impacted by the law does not negate the fact that others will be.

    There were more options than even that.
    According to your list, most of the acceptable forms of ID do not apply to everyone. The only forms of ID that are universally applicable are a PennDOT ID (e.g. driver's license), or a US passport. So if a person doesn't have a voter ID and they're a responsible citizen who wants to obtain one, presumably they are going to go with the cheaper option...which means that the DMVs are indeed going to be handling the brunt of the processing. And it is simply not realistic to think that they could be able to produce 500+ such IDs every day in addition to their regular workload, especially given the notorious inefficiencies of urban-area DMVs.

    Not when you characterized the problem as one of "states."
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    Re: You’ll Need an ID to Prove You’re a Democrat but Not to Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So of the 1099 illegal votes, you know for a fact that Franken got 70% of it?
    How many convictions did it say they have. Actually requiring only one to Validate the Demos Tactic!!!!!

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