Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

[therealworrell]

Things are getting crazy in Pakistan for Christians. First a young girl with Down Syndrome is almost killed then arrested for blasphemy, and now a young boy is tortured, killed, and mutilated for being a Christian.


With the hysteria over the arrest of a Christian girl with Down’s syndrome on a charge of blasphemy yet to blow over, the brutally tortured body of an 11-year-old Christian boy has been found in Pakistan’s Punjab province.
11 Year Old Pakistani Christian Boy Tortured and Killed | Infinity News Network

 

[joko104]

Such as countless stories like this against women, gays, people of other religions, free-thinkers, academics and on and on - is why I am always torn on the question of war.

It took slaughter and mass arrests to bring down Hitler and other murderous tyrants. Sometimes I wonder whether such brutality will someone be stopped internally, that we should just decide it is not our concern, or should we slaughter those of such leadership and such barbaric culture. It also is reason why sometimes I have been accused of criticism for my criticism of the religion of Islam.

 

[lizzie]

Such as countless stories like this against women, gays, people of other religions, free-thinkers, academics and on and on - is why I am always torn on the question of war.

It took slaughter and mass arrests to bring down Hitler and other murderous tyrants. Sometimes I wonder whether such brutality will someone be stopped internally, that we should just decide it is not our concern, or should we slaughter those of such leadership and such barbaric culture. It also is reason why sometimes I have been accused of criticism for my criticism of the religion of Islam.

I understand your dilemna, but Hitler was declaring war and being aggressive against other countries. When a country is not being outwardly aggressive, I have a problem with us going in and trying to fix their internal problems. When a populace has had enough brutality, they will find the will and the way to rid themselves of tyrants. If they can't do this, then they aren't really ready enough for it to happen.

 

[Gardener]

Such as countless stories like this against women, gays, people of other religions, free-thinkers, academics and on and on - is why I am always torn on the question of war.

It took slaughter and mass arrests to bring down Hitler and other murderous tyrants. Sometimes I wonder whether such brutality will someone be stopped internally, that we should just decide it is not our concern, or should we slaughter those of such leadership and such barbaric culture. It also is reason why sometimes I have been accused of criticism for my criticism of the religion of Islam.

Come on, man -- if you do not support this, you are an "Islamophobe".

At least according to almost all The Brits who post here as well as those who call themselves "progressive", "very liberal" or "socialist".

 

[nota bene]

But the truth will always out, particularly in our insta-info age. The dilemmas before us now aren't any different than in any other age. I think a fundamental understanding is hardwired into our DNA irrespective of our cultures or nations.

 

[joko104]

I understand your dilemna, but Hitler was declaring war and being aggressive against other countries. When a country is not being outwardly aggressive, I have a problem with us going in and trying to fix their internal problems. When a populace has had enough brutality, they will find the will and the way to rid themselves of tyrants. If they can't do this, then they aren't really ready enough for it to happen.

Somehow that sounds like Ron Paul declaring Abraham Lincoln was a mass murderer for using war to free slaves. That time would have eventually ended slavery on its own. Not very persuasive if you are one of the slaves.
Candidly, I think everyone is ready to not be tortured to death.
Historically, much of the advancement of rights of people was advanced by conquering invading armies destroying the existing power structure and culture of it.

 

[lizzie]

Somehow that sounds like Ron Paul declaring Abraham Lincoln was a mass murderer for using war to free slaves. That time would have eventually ended slavery on its own. Not very persuasive if you are one of the slaves.
Candidly, I think everyone is ready to not be tortured to death.
Historically, much of the advancement of rights of people was advanced by conquering invading armies destroying the existing power structure and culture of it.

Nope- we're talking about sovereign countries and war, not the freeing of slaves.

 

[Another Lurker]

THE RELIGION OF PEACE strikes again.

A L

 

[HonestJoe]

Come on, man -- if you do not support this, you are an "Islamophobe".

At least according to almost all The Brits who post here as well as those who call themselves "progressive", "very liberal" or "socialist".

What a load of ignorant racist trash. Nobody here has supported this kind of vicious abuse. In fact the closest anyone here has come to supporting it are those welcoming it as justification their personal socio-political biases.

 

[Diogenes]

I understand your dilemna, but Hitler was declaring war and being aggressive against other countries. When a country is not being outwardly aggressive, I have a problem with us going in and trying to fix their internal problems. When a populace has had enough brutality, they will find the will and the way to rid themselves of tyrants. If they can't do this, then they aren't really ready enough for it to happen.

Would you apply that reasoning to the Nazi Holocaust?

 

[Diogenes]

Somehow that sounds like Ron Paul declaring Abraham Lincoln was a mass murderer for using war to free slaves. That time would have eventually ended slavery on its own. Not very persuasive if you are one of the slaves.
Candidly, I think everyone is ready to not be tortured to death.
Historically, much of the advancement of rights of people was advanced by conquering invading armies destroying the existing power structure and culture of it.

True. And that is indeed something to ponder...

 

[Billy the Kid]

Things are getting crazy in Pakistan for Christians. First a young girl with Down Syndrome is almost killed then arrested for blasphemy, and now a young boy is tortured, killed, and mutilated for being a Christian.


With the hysteria over the arrest of a Christian girl with Down’s syndrome on a charge of blasphemy yet to blow over, the brutally tortured body of an 11-year-old Christian boy has been found in Pakistan’s Punjab province.
11 Year Old Pakistani Christian Boy Tortured and Killed | Infinity News Network

Tolerance? Not in my opinion.

 

[rathi]

Such as countless stories like this against women, gays, people of other religions, free-thinkers, academics and on and on - is why I am always torn on the question of war.

It took slaughter and mass arrests to bring down Hitler and other murderous tyrants. Sometimes I wonder whether such brutality will someone be stopped internally, that we should just decide it is not our concern, or should we slaughter those of such leadership and such barbaric culture. It also is reason why sometimes I have been accused of criticism for my criticism of the religion of Islam.

You are suggesting the invasion of a country with nuclear weapons. That is simply insane, nothing more to say.

 

[sharon]

THE RELIGION OF PEACE strikes again.

A L

I will expect the Muslim world to be crime free when the Christian world is crime free.

Look at our dreadful headlines about missing and murdered children.

 

[bicycleman]

Wow! It's that "peaceful" religion that so many on DP defend against us right wingers.

 

[sharon]

Wow! It's that "peaceful" religion that so many on DP defend against us right wingers.

A 15 year old girl was abducted in Columbia, SC last week.. They have her killer and her blood stains but no body.

The 53 killer has a prior record for violence and kidnapping.

 

[rhinefire]

Nope- we're talking about sovereign countries and war, not the freeing of slaves.

We ARE taliking religion not countries. Let's say Pakistan or any such country establishes a rock solid democracy. However they slaughter all those in defiance of Islam law. Do we gather up another army and deploy them in to the country decalring "You have a democracy but WE don't like your religious practices so it's WAR Round II".
Name the countries that threw their cultures away as a result of WWII. This insanity we call our foreign policy in the middle east is simply that, insanity. You want to kill bad guys all over the world, go ahead, I'll stay home and work on my yard. Get out of the middle east where the impossible is the rule of the day.

 

[Gardener]

A 15 year old girl was abducted in Columbia, SC last week.. They have her killer and her blood stains but no body.

The 53 killer has a prior record for violence and kidnapping.

and this was done because of her religion, was it?


The stupid things you come up with to defend Islamists gets pretty ridiculous.

 

[fishinRod]

A 15 year old girl was abducted in Columbia, SC last week.. They have her killer and her blood stains but no body.

The 53 killer has a prior record for violence and kidnapping.

but she wasnt abducted because of her religious beliefs or uprbringing

 

[sharon]

and this was done because of her religion, was it?


The stupid things you come up with to defend Islamists gets pretty ridiculous.

Oh.. so crime against children is not really crime unless its about religion or some twisted perception of religion?

 

[Diogenes]

Oh.. so crime against children is not really crime unless its about religion or some twisted perception of religion?

So is the case at hand considered a despicable crime in Pakistan, as it would surely be in the US?

 

[HonestJoe]

Wow! It's that "peaceful" religion that so many on DP defend against us right wingers.

This case isn't Islam. Islam is a diverse set of faiths (as diverse as Christianity) followed by millions of individuals all over the world. Condemning Islam/Muslims because of this case would be a dangerous president to set for pretty much anyone (we're all in all sorts of nominal groups that also include bad people).

I can't speak for anyone else but I've only ever defended the millions of Muslims who aren't violent extremist (including the few I know are lovely individuals) but are condemned, insulted and attacked (verbally or physically) because of individual evil acts like the one in this thread. I wouldn't defend "Islam" because that would be as stupid as attacking it.

 

[sharon]

So is the case at hand considered a despicable crime in Pakistan, as it would surely be in the US?

Yes.. and someone will be executed for it.

One curious aspect of Islam is that the victims actually have more rights than the perpetrator.

 

[bicycleman]

This case isn't Islam. Islam is a diverse set of faiths (as diverse as Christianity) followed by millions of individuals all over the world. Condemning Islam/Muslims because of this case would be a dangerous president to set for pretty much anyone (we're all in all sorts of nominal groups that also include bad people).

I can't speak for anyone else but I've only ever defended the millions of Muslims who aren't violent extremist (including the few I know are lovely individuals) but are condemned, insulted and attacked (verbally or physically) because of individual evil acts like the one in this thread. I wouldn't defend "Islam" because that would be as stupid as attacking it.

Muslims committed this act as indicated in the news link. The child was tortured because of blasphemy. Of course, anyone who doesn't adhere to strict Muslim beliefs is tortured and murdered, and Christians don't follow satan. You can paint Muslims/Islam any color you want, but this is still a violent religion that has murdered way too many innocents.

 

[Diogenes]

Yes.. and someone will be executed for it.

We shall see.

One curious aspect of Islam is that the victims actually have more rights than the perpetrator.

That's a very peculiar statement. I guess you could say that as long as the male rapist is considered the victim of the provocative behavior by the female, but you won't get very far with that reasoning in a civilized country. How do you explain honor killings?