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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    That's absolutely correct. By way of analogy: the Christian Bible, particularly the Old Testament, includes a lot of historical tribal customs which, while accepted practice at the time, will get you a well deserved 25 to life if you try to practice them today. About 500 years ago we entered a period we call the Enlightenment where thinkers examined the old writings and tried to separate the tribal customs from the spiritual guidance.

    Islam, particularly in the Middle East, is badly in need of such a reformation.
    Wanted: A Muslim, Reformation.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle...formation.html

    Here in the US we do have moderate Muslims, and I have been particularly impressed by Zuhdi Jasser whenever I've seen him interviewed. And as you noted, the violent extremists cannot be ignored.
    The wonderful Zuhdi Jasser is basically an Outcast from the American Islamic community. As are all true reformers.
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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    I answered showing it was in many (a Large amount worldwide) cases committed n the Name of Islam alone.
    You listed some incidents apparently based on what is reported in mainstream media but that doesn't address the basis of my questions. I'm certainly not denying such incidents occur or than they occur most commonly justified in the name of Islam. The fact remains that however many incidents you list, they will represent the actions of a tiny minority of the millions of individual Muslims in the world and a tiny minority of the acts of violence in the world, justified for all sorts of different reasons.

    There is a major issue with aspects of Islam, but Islam as a whole is not the problem. Most extreme actions will have a whole series of inter-related causes - religion has never caused anything to happen (good or bad) on it's own. There are also plenty of other problems in the world.

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    If you're "challenging" go right ahead. So far it's mere protestation. You put up -0- in all your posts.
    That's because I'm not challenging your facts, only your interpretation and presentation of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Where's the beef?
    The contempt, even hatred, implied or promoted against everyone and everything in any way related to Islam on the basis of the actions of a minority (however large it might be).

    The Muslim sat across from me still hasn't murdered anyone.
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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    There is a major issue with aspects of Islam, but Islam as a whole is not the problem. Most extreme actions will have a whole series of inter-related causes - religion has never caused anything to happen (good or bad) on it's own. There are also plenty of other problems in the world.
    Religious Islam is not much of a problem except for those sects which treat women like cattle. Political Islam is another story, a pathology that will create misery and destruction wherever it is allowed to flourish.
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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Religious Islam is not much of a problem except for those sects which treat women like cattle. Political Islam is another story, a pathology that will create misery and destruction wherever it is allowed to flourish.
    Literal Religous Islam IS political Islam/Islamism.
    Islam is a Religio-political system, not just a religion. ie, Sharia for just one large overlap. It exists in varying degrees in almost every Islamic country including 'moderate' ones.

    Honest Joe is not even in the discussion and never was. He makes no claims, presents no refutation. We understand HJ, there are many "it's just a few bad apples every religion has" auto-PCers here who make the same or Similar wrong protestation. Shattered again.
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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

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    Honest Joe is not even in the discussion and never was. He makes no claims, presents no refutation. We understand HJ, there are many "it's just a few bad apples every religion has" auto-PCers here who make the same or Similar wrong protestation. Shattered again.
    Just another copy/paste job, 'only changing name/difference' otherwise the same old diatribe. Nothing to see here from mbig. No substantive point(s) made, only alarmist rhetoric.

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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Honest Joe is not even in the discussion and never was. He makes no claims, presents no refutation. We understand HJ, there are many "it's just a few bad apples every religion has" auto-PCers here who make the same or Similar wrong protestation. Shattered again.
    You don't understand me at all since I'm not saying what you're claiming. You've clearly reached a predetermined conclusion with zero interest in thinking beyond your preconceptions I'm not going to waste any more time on you.

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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

    IMO, the extremists (who are more than likely preaching at mosques and acting in leadership roles) in the ME keep the hatred going on and on and on because they want to keep the people occupied with hating everyone else in the world, thinking everyone else is holding them back. If they keep the people busy hating the outside world, then they won't be so aware of what their own leaders do. These dictators in these countries are soooo disgustingly rich, and they let the people go without.

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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    I will expect the Muslim world to be crime free when the Christian world is crime free.

    Look at our dreadful headlines about missing and murdered children.
    When the last time you heard about a muslim being killed by a christian in the West?
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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    When the last time you heard about a muslim being killed by a christian in the West?
    And you should add, "because of his or her religious beliefs."

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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    And you should add, "because of his or her religious beliefs."
    I guess I figured that went without saying.
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