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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Actually that is what I am talking about. We just define war and slavery differently?
    Or civil war vs international or external war?
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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    You botched it by conflating Persecution of a small minority with popular Revolution/Civil War.
    Thank you for a great series of posts.
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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    Is the Muslim sitting opposite me likely to murder me if he thought he could get away with it?
    If that muzzie was a fundamentalist who believed in a strict interpretation of the Quaran ... YOU BETCHA. Read the Quaran.

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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Another Lurker View Post
    If that muzzie was a fundamentalist who believed in a strict interpretation of the Quaran ... YOU BETCHA. Read the Quaran.

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    Actually it requires very selective reading of the Quran. Like every other fundamentalist who uses religion to justify murder when his book says "Uhhh, don't murder." You've never read the Quran. You've read bits of it picked for you by people who are trying to give you a particular impression. And you believed them!
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

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    Actually it requires very selective reading of the Quran.
    False. Just read the words ... remember, Allah spoke to Gabrielle, who spoke to the prophet.

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    Like every other fundamentalist who uses religion to justify murder when his book says "Uhhh, don't murder."
    But infidels who do not accept Islam are to be killed.

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    You've never read the Quran.
    False. But you in your infinate wisdom seem to know what I've read. I would call this a lie, but that would make you a liar, and I would get hammered for a personal insult. So I will use the lawyerly ... disingenuous ... to describe this sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You've read bits of it picked for you by people who are trying to give you a particular impression.
    See the above. It is true for this 'disingenuous' tripe as well.

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    And you believed them!
    I believe what my own eyes have read.

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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Glad you asked!
    So why didn't you answer? Why are you focusing exclusively on violence committed by Muslims and ignoring violence committed by anyone else for any other reason? Why are you ignoring (or condemning by association) the millions of non-violent Muslims?

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Right! It's not real about Islam.!!
    That isn't what I said. Please read what I'm actually writing, not the argument you're expecting. This kind of crime is far from the be-all and end-all of Islam. There is a vast range of people, beliefs and actions within the scope of Islam worldwide which couldn't be further removed from this. I am most certainly not denying the problem of fundamentalist Islam but I am challenging the assertion that this is all there is to it or that no other group of individual are guilty of similar evil.

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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Another Lurker View Post
    If that muzzie was a fundamentalist who believed in a strict interpretation of the Quaran ... YOU BETCHA. Read the Quaran.
    So if he isn't a fundamentalist who believes in one particular strict interpretation of the Koran, he poses no threat? So not all Muslims are vicious extremist murderers? So you agree with me?

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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

    I wouldn't think of making any excuses of the savagery and violence committed by those who follow Sharia law. I think it's absolutely disgusting, but I certainly don't think ALL Muslim people follow this line of thinking. I am quite sure that there are plenty of Muslims that are just regular people who just want to live their lives and mind their business. The extremists are a problem though. You just can't ignore it, and you just can't ignore stories like this.

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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I wouldn't think of making any excuses of the savagery and violence committed by those who follow Sharia law. I think it's absolutely disgusting, but I certainly don't think ALL Muslim people follow this line of thinking. I am quite sure that there are plenty of Muslims that are just regular people who just want to live their lives and mind their business. The extremists are a problem though. You just can't ignore it, and you just can't ignore stories like this.
    That's absolutely correct. By way of analogy: the Christian Bible, particularly the Old Testament, includes a lot of historical tribal customs which, while accepted practice at the time, will get you a well deserved 25 to life if you try to practice them today. About 500 years ago we entered a period we call the Enlightenment where thinkers examined the old writings and tried to separate the tribal customs from the spiritual guidance.

    Islam, particularly in the Middle East, is badly in need of such a reformation. Here in the US we do have moderate Muslims, and I have been particularly impressed by Zuhdi Jasser whenever I've seen him interviewed. And as you noted, the violent extremists cannot be ignored.
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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    So why didn't you answer? Why are you focusing exclusively on violence committed by Muslims and ignoring violence committed by anyone else for any other reason? Why are you ignoring (or condemning by association) the millions of non-violent Muslims?
    Alot of Dishonest argumentation from you in lieu of no having any evidence of your own.
    I DID answer.
    You asked, among other questions..
    "How common and it this all Islamic Majority countries or just some? Couldn't there be other contributory factors? Are there not other parts of the world where similar vicious crimes are committed for motives entirely separate from Islam?" ..
    I answered showing it was in many (a Large amount worldwide) cases committed n the Name of Islam alone.
    It's NOT possible to post a list as that for Any other religion. Period.

    You DIShonestly debate by multiple/sequential questions, 'only' getting several answered and then claiming you weren't.

    onto.. "Guilt by association"

    ConservativeTruth.org: Islamic Nations Slaughter, Enslave Christians - Tom Barrett, 12-16-01

    THERE IS NOT ONE CHRISTIAN NATION ON EARTH WHERE MUSLIMS ARE PERSECUTED. Yet in 83% of nations where the majority of the population are Muslims, there is systematic government persecution of Christians. (See "Religious Freedom in the Majority Islamic Countries" in the Resources section below.) This persecution includes imposing the death penalty for sharing the Christian faith with a Muslim; national laws prohibiting conversion from Islam to Christianity; destruction of churches; and murder or expulsion of Christian missionaries. Even in the few predominantly Muslim countries where the government does not openly participate in the persecution, it ignores and even encourages illegal persecution by Muslims against Christians....
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe...post1059222206
    Pakistan.
    "....More than 500 clerics and scholars from the group Jamat Ahle Sunnat said
    No one should pray or express regret for the killing of the governor.
    The group representing Pakistan's Majority Barelvi sect, which follows a brand of Islam considered moderate, also Issued a Veiled Threat to other opponents of the blasphemy laws.


    "The supporter is as equally guilty as one who committed blasphemy," the group Warned in a statement, adding that politicians, the media and others should learn "a lesson from the Exemplary death."

    Jamat leader Maulana Shah Turabul Haq Qadri paid "glorious tribute to the murderer … for his courage, bravery and religious honor and integrity."..."
    Not much mainstream/Majority criticism for those Killing For Islam.

    It's Not as you also infer (another Sick PC Mantra), Just a few bad apples that every religion has.
    Islam is Exponentially more violent and intolerant/still on Jihad.

    Not "everyone" or "all" but a significant minority, if not healthy Majority don't really see problem with anti-Christian violence or intolerance.


    Quote Originally Posted by Honest-Joe
    That isn't what I said. Please read what I'm actually writing, not the argument you're expecting. This kind of crime is far from the be-all and end-all of Islam. There is a vast range of people, beliefs and actions within the scope of Islam worldwide which couldn't be further removed from this. I am most certainly not denying the problem of fundamentalist Islam but I am challenging the assertion that this is all there is to it or that no other group of individual are guilty of similar evil.
    If you're "challengng" go right ahead. So far it's mere protesatation. You put up -0- in all your posts.
    I already posted Current lists, Recent News of Rampant Muslim violence for which there is No equivalent in other religions.
    You could try the old inadequate 'abortion clinic bombings' in which what? 10 people died in 30 years?
    Many People are dying Every day of Islam and it's practitioners (from Mauritania to Mindinao) and little is done by Muslim majority countries about it. (if not committing or condoning it themselves)
    Islam, they proudly clam "is the fastest growing religion in the West".. meanwhile, in many/most of their countries Persecution, cleansing, and killing of non-Muslims continues.

    For Pakistan, in particular, the OP locale, I have posted alot of info.
    Where's the beef?
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