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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Is genocide of Christians actually occurring in Pakistan? Like, on a mass scale?

    Because not long ago there were a bunch of Sikhs killed in the US but I don't see anyone talking about genocide in the US.
    Are you responding to me? The OP?
    Because you disingenuously limited your reply to just Genocide.
    The OP is not about genocide (Or at all), but persecution, and my post also contains Persecution and Cleansing.. which are common/daily occurrences. Nice semantc strawmen tho.
    Try it on someone else.
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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    EDIT: and it should be noted for "Honest Joe" (?) this is common in Islamic Majority countries, Not so in Christian ones.
    How common and it this all Islamic Majority countries or just some? Couldn't there be other contributory factors? Are there not other parts of the world where similar vicious crimes are committed for motives entirely separate from Islam? Is the Muslim sitting opposite me likely to murder me if he thought he could get away with it?

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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    How common and it this all Islamic Majority countries or just some? Couldn't there be other contributory factors? Are there not other parts of the world where similar vicious crimes are committed for motives entirely separate from Islam? Is the Muslim sitting opposite me likely to murder me if he thought he could get away with it?
    Glad you asked!

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    This case isn't Islam. Islam is a diverse set of faiths (as diverse as Christianity) followed by millions of individuals all over the world. Condemning Islam/Muslims because of this case would be a dangerous president to set for pretty much anyone (we're all in all sorts of nominal groups that also include bad people).

    I can't speak for anyone else but I've only ever defended the millions of Muslims who aren't violent extremist (including the few I know are lovely individuals) but are condemned, insulted and attacked (verbally or physically) because of individual evil acts like the one in this thread. I wouldn't defend "Islam" because that would be as stupid as attacking it.
    Right! It's not real about Islam.!!

    Quote Originally Posted by thereligionofpeace.com

    2012.08.30 (Baraki Barak, Afghanistan) - Islamic radicals fire a rocket into a bus stop, killing five civilians.
    2012.08.30 (Yala, Thailand) - A Buddhist trader sitting in his truck is shot and beheaded by Muslim militants.
    2012.08.30 (Quetta, Pakistan) - Sunnis spray a car carrying a Shia judge with automatic fire, killing three occupants.
    2012.08.29 (Logar, Afghanistan) - A woman is killed inside her home by a Taliban rocket.
    2012.08.29 (Lapankuri, Georgia) - A doctor is among three people who die trying to rescue innocent hostages taken by Islamic radicals.
    2012.08.29 (Zamalka, Syria) - A family of seven Christians, including three children, are shot in the street by 'Liua Islam'.

    Weekly Jihad Report
    Aug . 11 - Aug. 17


    Jihad Attacks: 57
    Allahu Akbars*: 7
    Dead Bodies: 289
    Critically Injured: 603
    *Suicide Attacks

    Monthly Jihad Report
    Ramadan, 2012

    Jihad Attacks: 260
    Countries: 23
    Religions: 5
    Dead Bodies: 1209
    Critically Injured: 1910
    Quote Originally Posted by http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/TheList.htm

    This list of terrorist attacks committed by Muslims since 9/11/01 (a rate of about four or five a day) is incomplete because not all such attacks are picked up by international news sources, even those resulting in multiple loss of life.

    These are Not incidents of ordinary crime involving nominal Muslims killing for money or passion. We only include incidents of deadly violence that can reasonably be determined to have been committed out of religious duty - as interpreted by the perpetrator. Islam needs to be a motive, but it need not be the only factor.

    We usually list only attacks that result in loss of life (with a handful of exceptions). In several cases, the deaths are undercounted because deaths from trauma caused by the Islamists may occur in later days, despite the best efforts of medical personnel to keep the victims alive......

    The List
    Past 30 Days (ONLY) (and only partial/Int'l reported incidents)
    Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a Time

    Too long to quote but very partially/last 4 days)

    2012.08.30 Pakistan Quetta 3 0 Sunnis spray a car carrying a Shia judge with automatic fire, killing three occupants.
    2012.08.30 Afghanistan Baraki Barak 5 10 Islamic radicals fire a rocket into a bus stop, killing five civilians.
    2012.08.30 Thailand Yala 1 0 A Buddhist trader sitting in his truck is shot and beheaded by Muslim militants.
    2012.08.29 Thailand Yala 1 0 Islamic 'separatists' shoot a man in the head as he is eating noodles.
    2012.08.29 Afghanistan Logar 1 0 A woman is killed inside her home by a Taliban rocket.
    2012.08.29 Syria Zamalka 7 0 A family of seven Christians, including three children, are shot in the street by 'Liua Islam'.
    2012.08.29 Georgia Lapankuri 3 0 A doctor is among three people who die trying to rescue innocent hostages taken by Islamic radicals.
    2012.08.28 Dagestan Belidzhi 7 6 Influence by 'Islamist literature', a border guard murders seven fellow soldiers.
    2012.08.28 Dagestan Chirkey 7 0 A female suicide bomber takes down a 74-year-old Sufi cleric and six others at his home, including a 12-year-old boy.
    2012.08.28 Afghanistan Kandahar 4 20 Four civilians are sent to Allah by Fedayeen suicide truck bombers.
    2012.08.27 Afghanistan Musa Qala 17 0 Fundamentalists interrupt a party and behead two women and fifteen men for dancing to music.
    2012.08.27 Pakistan Quetta 3 2 Sectarian Jihadis fire on a car carrying Shia civilians, killing three.
    2012.08.26 Nigeria Gashua 1 0 A group 'committed to the Prophet's teachings' attacks a local bank, killing the guard.
    2012.08.26 Indonesia Sampang 2 12 'Mainstream' Muslims stop a group of Shia children and teachers, and proceed to hack at least two to death.
    2012.08.26 Afghanistan Pailoch 3 0 A 'girl and two boys' are shot to death by the woman's brother for committing adultery.
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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

    "Not about Islam"
    The "Allah Akhbar!" of the PC.


    Muslim Persecution of Christians: July, 2012 :: Gatestone Institute
    by Raymond Ibrahim
    August 31, 2012*

    Several reports appearing in July indicate that Christian minorities all around the Muslim world—especially women and children—are being abducted, tortured, raped, forced to convert to Islam, and/or enslaved.
    In Egypt, at least 550 such cases have been documented in the last five years, and have only increased since the revolution. Christians who manage to escape back to their families often find the government siding with the Muslim abductors. One young mother who recently testified before the Helsinki Commission explained how she was snatched in broad daylight, as her abductor shouted to bystanders while dragging her to a waiting taxi, "No one interfere! She is an enemy of Islam."

    Identical reports are emerging from Pakistan, where "persecution, kidnapping and abduction of Christian women and girls," including many married women with children, are on the rise. Last year the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) said that 1800 Christian and Hindu girls were forcibly converted to Islam.
    Most recently, the sister of a pastor was "kidnapped raped and forcibly converted to Islam." She "was kidnapped around a month ago by some Muslim men while returning home from college. She was held for days, suffered sexual abuse, threats and violence. In such a state of terror and exhaustion, first she was coerced into converting to Islam, and then marriage. Her family reported the incident to the police station in Chunian, but no investigations have been conducted and instead her abductors have presented a report to the court attesting to the girl now being Muslim and legally married. Among other things, the girl is a minor and, according to the law, marriage is not permitted to minors."
    .........

    Categorized by theme, July's assemblage of Muslim persecution of Christians around the world includes (but is not limited to) the following accounts, listed in alphabetical order by country, not severity.

    Church Attacks


    Indonesia: Muslim protesters forced a church to shut down during a Sunday worship on claims that it was operating without a permit, and hung a banner on the church's gate reading "We the people … hardily reject the use of this building … for religious activities." The church's committee secretary said the church has the necessarily permits to hold services," yet "the majority of the people still reject the church's activity."

    Iran: Both the Central Assembly of God Church in Tehran and its summer campsite—once a popular site for Christian gatherings and conferences—were closed by authorities of the Islamic Republic, who also posted a large notice on the gates "warning of severe consequences should anyone try to enter the premises." These latest closures follow the official termination of Friday Persian language services and the compulsory cancellation of all Bible classes and the distribution of Christian literature. Also, as part of the crackdown on house churches, plainclothes agents of the Ministry of Islamic Guidance continued raiding, arresting, and "aggressively interrogating" assembled worshippers.

    Lebanon: Ahead of the Maronite Patriarch's visit to Akker, flyers signed by the "Soldiers of the Great Prophet" threatened the Christians and churches in what has traditionally been the safest Mideast country for Christians, calling "on the infidels to stop their blasphemy ... We will start from the infidel's church in Akker and we won't stop ... this is not the end but the beginning," read the flyer.

    Kenya: Seven Islamic jihadis launched simultaneous grenade and gunfire attacks on two churches, while the congregations were at prayer. Five militants attacked the Africa Inland Church, killing 17 people and wounding approximately 60, including many women and children. The other two Muslim terrorists attacked the nearby Catholic Church, wounding three.

    Kuwait: After approval was issued for the construction of a church, a group of Islamic preachers, echoing the words of the Saudi Grand Mufti, reasserted that churches are not permitted to be built in Muslim countries. One sheikh "expressed displeasure" against those approving the construction of the church, "stressing that it is not permissible as per the Sharia," adding that "excuses" such as saying that the building of a church "is a matter of human rights and international norms is not acceptable, as Islam comes first, and people should respect religion first before serving humanity or anything else."

    Turkey: The existence of the oldest functioning Christian monastery in the world, 5th century Mor Gabriel Monastery near the Turkish-Syrian border is at risk after a ruling by Turkey's highest appeals court. Inhabited today by only a few dozen Christians dedicated to learning the monastery's teachings, the ancient Aramaic language spoken by Jesus and the Orthodox Syriac tradition, neighboring Muslims with the support of an MP member of the Islamic Justice and Development Party (AKP) filed a lawsuit accusing the Christians of practicing "anti-Turkish activities" and of illegally occupying land which belongs to Muslim villages.....

    Apostasy and Blasphemy

    Egypt: A Christian teacher was arrested and detained after being accused of posting cartoons insulting to Islam and its prophet on Facebook. The man faces up to five years in jail if convicted of blasphemy. While admitting he manages the site in question, he said the site was hacked. Earlier in April, a Christian teenager was sentenced to three years in prison for posting cartoons perceived to mock Islam's prophet on his Face book page. Likewise, Christian business tycoon Naguib Sawiris posted Disney's Mickey and Minnie Mouse dressed in Islamic attire, which landed him in court, though he was acquitted.

    Iran: Pastor Youssef Nadarkhani, who has spent over 1,000 days in prison awaiting execution for refusing to recant Christianity, is only one of many persecuted in Iran for their faith. A six-year prison sentence for pastor Farshid Fathi Malayeri—another Muslim convert to Christianity—was recently upheld following an unsuccessful appeal hearing. Also, another prominent house church pastor, Benham Irani, remains behind bars, even as his family expresses concerns that he may die from continued abuse and beatings, leading to internal bleeding and other ailments; authorities refuse to give him medical treatment. The verdict against him contains text that describes the pastor as an apostate, adding that apostates "can be killed."

    Pakistan: A Christian couple have been on the run since they embraced Islam back in 2006, only to reconvert to Christianity. Upon learning that the couple returned to Christianity, neighboring Muslims attacked and persecuted them; one of the husband's best friends abducted and tortured him, while beating the wife. "[One] should have the freedom to choose the religion one wishes to follow," said the Christian husband. "They have subsequently been on the run."

    Saudi Arabia: A court is looking into an apostasy case concerning a 28-year-old Muslim woman's conversion to Christianity. The father alleges that a Saudi and a Lebanese played a role in converting his daughter to Christianity and smuggling her to Lebanon, where she has received sanctuary in an anonymous church.

    Jihad Death and Destruction

    Nigeria: In what is described as an ongoing genocide of Christians over 65 people, including two politicians, were killed in a triple attacks on Christians. First, Muslims destroyed 43 Christian-owned farms. Nobody was arrested. Then they attacked nine Christian villages around the city of Jos, killing dozens of people. "They came in hundreds," said an official, "Some had police uniforms and some even had bulletproof vests." In one instance, Christians fleeing the violence took refuge in the house of a local church leader, which was bombed and more than 50 Christians were burned alive, including the pastor's wife and children. Then the Muslims attacked the funeral for the victims of the village raids, killing several more people[......]

    South Africa: The Islamic terror group Al Shabaab is accused of murdering 14 Christians, all Ethiopians, in the Western Cape. A Christian bishop, also a former police inspector, fears more of his flock will be targeted: "We want authorities to do something because we know this is the work of al-Shabaab. If nothing is done, the Ethiopian population will be depleted… [those who died are] holy martyrs who have died because they are Christians." [.....]

    Syria: Syrian "freedom fighters" continue showing their true colors as they destroy churches and kill Christians, which has resulted in the mass migration of tens of thousands of Christians, including practically the entire populations of Homs and Qusayr. Surrounding nations that once might have offered refuge—Iraq, Turkey, even now Lebanon—are also increasingly inhospitable to Christians. One Christian girl who escaped said: "They sermonized on Fridays in the mosques that it was a sacred duty to drive us [Christians] away…. [......]
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    Dhimmitude

    [General Abuse, Debasement, and Suppression of Non-Muslims as "Tolerated" Citizens]

    Egypt: After a Christian laundry worker burned the shirt of a Muslim man, several quarrels ensued and culminated with the death of a Muslim. Accordingly, thousands of Muslims rampaged the village, causing 120 Christian families to flee. They looted Christian businesses and homes "despite hundreds of security forces being deployed in the village. Eyewitnesses reported that security forces did not protect most Coptic property." Family members of the deceased Muslim insist that the Christians must still pay with their lives. Also, during Ramadan, several Christians were attacked and beaten. Dr. Yassir al-Burhami, a prominent figure in Egypt's Salafi movement issued a fatwa forbidding Muslim taxi-drivers and bus-drivers from transporting Coptic Christian priests to their churches, which he depicted as "more forbidden than taking someone to a liquor bar." [......]

    Pakistan: Days after a Muslim mob doused a man with gasoline and literally burned him alive for "blaspheming" the Koran (graphic picture here), a Pakistani Christian woman, now living in the U.S., explained how when she lived in Pakistan, Muslims disfigured her in an acid attack for being Christian: After one man noticed her wearing a crucifix, he "became abusive," telling her "that she was living in the gutter and would go to hell for shunning Islam. He left and returned half an hour later, clutching a bottle of battery acid which he savagely chucked over her head. As she ran screaming for the door a second man grabbed her by the hair and forced more of the liquid down her throat, searing her esophagus. Teeth fell from her mouth as she desperately called for help, stumbling down the street. A woman heard her cries and took her to her home, pouring water over her head and taking her to hospital. At first the doctors refused to treat her, because she was a Christian. 'They all turned against me… Even the people who took me to the hospital. They told the doctor they were going to set the hospital on fire if they treated me.' … 67 per cent of her esophagus was burned and she was missing an eye and both eyelids. What remained of her teeth could be seen through a gaping hole where her cheek had been. The doctors predicted she would die any day. Despite the odds she pulled through." Separately, Muslim landowners and their police accomplices continue annexing land owned by Christians. "The police pulled away our headscarves from heads and started hitting us with clubs and punches" reported Christian women, "after news spread that police is harassing and torturing Christian women and men … to grab their agricultural land."
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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Is genocide of Christians actually occurring in Pakistan? Like, on a mass scale?

    Because not long ago there were a bunch of Sikhs killed in the US but I don't see anyone talking about genocide in the US.
    That's because the US likes to keep a lot of secrets. Remember when the army officer at Fort Hood, murdered his own men? The news media, the mouthpiece for the Obama administration, wouldn't admit that what he did was a terrorist act. It is only if a terrorist act if a right-winged militia member does something. In fact, a conservative, gun-owning Christian, anti-abortionist, patriot like me has already been branded a terrorist by Janet Napolitano and her Department of Homeland Security. Yet, she won't go seek out one of the most dangerous groups in the US, namely the New Black Panther Party. Nor will she admit that Muslims are murdering people here in the US.

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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    We are Not talking a General populace revolution to overthrow a dictator (!) we're talking persecution/cleansing/genocide of a minority which the general populace either agrees with or cares not enough about. She's OK with that.
    Ummmm, no, I'm not okay with it, but I do understand our limitations, and that we should not declare war on a country based on our own wishes of whom should be in power, like we did in Iraq and Afghanistan. There are atrocities in the world. Always has been, always will be, and those atrocities are not solely ours to fix.
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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Are you responding to me? The OP?
    Because you disingenuously limited your reply to just Genocide.
    The OP is not about genocide (Or at all), but persecution, and my post also contains Persecution and Cleansing.. which are common/daily occurrences. Nice semantc strawmen tho.
    Try it on someone else.
    People were talking about genocide and I was trying to figure out why.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    That's because the US likes to keep a lot of secrets. Remember when the army officer at Fort Hood, murdered his own men? The news media, the mouthpiece for the Obama administration, wouldn't admit that what he did was a terrorist act. It is only if a terrorist act if a right-winged militia member does something. In fact, a conservative, gun-owning Christian, anti-abortionist, patriot like me has already been branded a terrorist by Janet Napolitano and her Department of Homeland Security. Yet, she won't go seek out one of the most dangerous groups in the US, namely the New Black Panther Party. Nor will she admit that Muslims are murdering people here in the US.
    I would argue that shooting US soldiers is an act of war, not terrorism. When we turn a member of Al-Qaeda and he shoots up his own guys, we call it espionage.

    In a war, you get to shoot at the other guys troops. That's kindof how it works. Yes, in this case it was a traitor committing a cowardly act by shooting at unarmed former comrades, but they're still military targets.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Nope- we're talking about sovereign countries and war, not the freeing of slaves.

    Actually that is what I am talking about. We just define war and slavery differently?

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    Re: Body of 11 Year Old Christian Found Mutilated, Burned in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Lizzie
    I understand your dilemna, but Hitler was declaring war and being aggressive against other countries. When a country is not being outwardly aggressive, I have a problem with us going in and trying to fix their internal problems. When a populace has had enough brutality, they will find the will and the way to rid themselves of tyrants. If they can't do this, then they aren't really ready enough for it to happen.
    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes
    Would you apply that reasoning to the Nazi Holocaust?
    Quote Originally Posted by mbig
    Precisely and even worse Diogenes.
    Lizzie's post is Ridiculous. (and ergo got the most 'likes').
    Clearly, any minority that a govt decides to Genocide (say 1%-10%) could never "find a way to rid themselves of tyrants".
    ie, Christians in Pakistan are 1.6%. (Wiki)
    We are Not talking a General populace revolution to overthrow a dictator (!) we're talking persecution/cleansing/genocide of a minority which the general populace either agrees with or cares not enough about. She's OK with that.


    EDIT: and it should be noted for "Honest Joe" (?) this is common in Islamic Majority countries, Not so in Christian ones. Islam is the self-proclaimed "fastest growing religion in the West", while Christianty is persecuted Widely in the Muslim world... and fading.
    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Ummmm, no, I'm not okay with it, but I do understand our limitations, and that we should not declare war on a country based on our own wishes of whom should be in power, like we did in Iraq and Afghanistan. There are atrocities in the world. Always has been, always will be, and those atrocities are not solely ours to fix.
    Your reply remains Ridiculous and Inappropriate to the OP.
    Which is why you short-quoted me.
    Unfortunately for you, I carried the whole thing/context forward.
    These people could never rise up and overthrow their oppressors. Your absurd suggestion/solution.
    It's Not a popular uprising Inaptly compared it to.
    Further, no one suggested declaring War on Pakistan because of it. Yet more Disingenuity/Strawmen.

    It's Not Iraq or Afghanistan either.
    The most/only fair recent comparison would be saving the Muslims in Bosnia/Former Yugoslavia.. if anything. But even then they were far more than, say, the 1.6% Christians are in Pakistan.
    You botched it by conflating Persecution of a small minority with popular Revolution/Civil War.
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