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Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tour De

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Not true at all. Companies market products exclusively to some athletes/teams/franchises ALL the time not allowing anybody else to use it.

Products do not give an athlete an edge. Technology does. There are many examples of this:
1) wood to carbon tennis racquets
2) steel to aluminum bikes
3) swimsuits to wetsuits

All athletes have changed their gear to keep up with the Jonses. Yet no one has claimed they jumped higher because of a pair of Air Jordans.
 
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Okay read what I said. An athlete picking a better faster bike or a more accurate rifle is NOT picking something they do because it looks good. They do it in order to give them an advantage over others. If that is so - then it stands to reason that the only way for ALL athletes to be even is for them ALL to have the same equipment - and yet - they don't. Why is that?

Because they CAN all choose the same equiptment if they want it...they are given a choice because whats good for me may not be good for you..your not taking anyones right to anything away your just giving them a choice..
 
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Be alot harder for him to win now...dont think it will happen

^ For certain, but I think he had already given up the idea.
 
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"Doping" is a fairly complex issue in terms of what is legal, what is not, what is detectable and what is not. Basically anything a person ingests is a "drug," meaning some metabolic effect. For example, oxygenating the blood increases speed, power, endurance - yet oxygen isn't on the drug list.
 
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About the doping, the Libertarian in me feels the same. It's their body. Why should I care what they do with it?

Libertarianism sorely lacks integrity.
 
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Libertarianism sorely lacks integrity.
You may call it that, but I call it non-judging and minding my own business.
 
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Don't serve me baloney and tell me it's steak. Of course you judge.
No sir, I am no longer a Baptist. :p

I really try my best not to.
 
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Are you surpised? Cheating to get ahead is the American way now.


If anyone can show it is uniquely American please do so.
 
Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

Are you surpised? Cheating to get ahead is the American way now.


Sadly your right...
 
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Sadly your right...


We learned it all from the Soviet bloc and East Germany during the Cold War, where if an athlete didn't shine in national competition, when he got back home, he and his coaches were ostracised or even worse. They had to succeed at all costs. Remember what Saddam Hussein's sons did to the Iraqi soccer team after returning from the Olympics with a silver medal? Now, this whole concept of doping has gone viral, worldwide.
 
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Outlawing doping and testing for it is going to become increasingly difficult the way it is difficult to keep up with laws and testing about "designer" drugs. Even herbs are a drugs and virtually all drugs originate from organic substances.

She used to talk about how people did even simple things to give a slight edge. Going on oxygen before an event lessens the work load of the heart and lungs - adding just a tad of endurance then in the event. Ordinary aspirin can thin blood if it hot. Caffeine of course is a powerful stimulant. What a person does and doesn't eat before events can have a big effect. There are ways that "stuff" in the blood can be removed and other beneficial substances that are not drugs can be added to overall improve metabolism and make the body overall more efficient. A person purging their stomach and bowels can reduce their weigh as much as 2% - a BIG difference in some competitions.

She also used to explain there are enhancement "drugs" and substances that are exorbitantly expensive and do not show up on testing - so costly most athletes can not afford them. She said there is an underground network not easy to get into for such substances.

Still another complexity to testing is for many substances a person can use it, obtain the benefits, and then go off it long enough for it to be out of their system - but they still have much of the benefits - primarily in regards to muscle mass.

Sometimes events would not say they were drug testing, but before the competition would surprise announce it. She said when that happened, it was not rare for 1/4th to over half dropping out to avoid the test and the result being on their record. She only refused to take a test one time and that when it was to be done in a way she felt too humiliating (someone watching her produce a urine sample). She said she isn't going to allow someone watching her like that - too degrading.

And yes, as she won time and again - sometimes flawlessly and seemingly super human - people would spread gossip that she must be using performance drugs. Unfortunately, rumor and bitterness from others is often accepted as true or at least suspicious.
 
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We learned it all from the Soviet bloc and East Germany during the Cold War, where if an athlete didn't shine in national competition, when he got back home, he and his coaches were ostracised or even worse. They had to succeed at all costs. Remember what Saddam Hussein's sons did to the Iraqi soccer team after returning from the Olympics with a silver medal? Now, this whole concept of doping has gone viral, worldwide.

As president of Iraq's Olympic committee, the president's son was the country's sports czar. According to several accounts from players, he turned his sadistic obsessions on the national soccer team.

After drawing or losing games, players were punished. A missed penalty or other poor play entailed a ritual head shaving at the Stadium of the People, or being spat on by Uday's bodyguards.

A series of poor passes, carefully counted, could result in a player's being forced to stand before the president's son in the dressing room, hands at his side, while he was punched or slapped in the face an equal number of times.

But those were the lesser miseries. Some players endured long periods in a military prison, beaten on their backs with electric cables until blood flowed. Other punishments included "matches" kicking concrete balls around the prison yard in 130-degree heat, and 12-hour sessions of push-ups, sprints and other fitness drills, wearing heavy military fatigues and boots.

Soccer Players Describe Torture by Hussein's Son
 
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Are you surpised? Cheating to get ahead is the American way now.

Again, I do not believe this is anything new and is as common if not more elsewhere around the world.
 
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What if there were a law to only allow televise/broadcast non-doping sports? Or a 'pact' with the media conglomerates?
But, allow small mom & pop streamers & news. This would remove the money from the pro-doping sports and still allow the person that doesn't mind a little "help" to get the doping record. History would show the dopers will fall off the list. Morals win any day if there is a choice. Call it alternative sports - this idea would also allow robotic enhancements as well. We all know those are coming soon too...

What about sponsors?
 
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Are you surpised? Cheating to get ahead is the American way now.

It might be your way, but not mine. Speak for yourself.
 
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So Lance is stripped of his wins and whoever came in second gets the win instead. 90% of the time that will be an admitted doper who paid a fine to beat the rap. Lance never tested positive for drugs.
 
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So Lance is stripped of his wins and whoever came in second gets the win instead. 90% of the time that will be an admitted doper who paid a fine to beat the rap. Lance never tested positive for drugs.

HE actually did, but not in competition.

They do hold onto samples for a few years and often go back and retest when the technology catches up to the cheaters. After the fact, 2 of Armstrong's samples came up positive.

The "he/she never test positive" argument means diddly squat. Marion Jones never tested positive and she was doped up to the gills. She got caught another way. The cheaters are always ahead of the testers, unfortunately.
 
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So Lance is stripped of his wins and whoever came in second gets the win instead. 90% of the time that will be an admitted doper who paid a fine to beat the rap. Lance never tested positive for drugs.

The Europeans ruled him innocent, but the USADA has an axe to grind, and I wonder why? I don't believe Lance did it either, but he says he's tired of the strain and stress it is putting on him and his family.
 
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HE actually did, but not in competition.

They do hold onto samples for a few years and often go back and retest when the technology catches up to the cheaters. After the fact, 2 of Armstrong's samples came up positive.

The "he/she never test positive" argument means diddly squat. Marion Jones never tested positive and she was doped up to the gills. She got caught another way. The cheaters are always ahead of the testers, unfortunately.

First I have heard of that, do you have some source for it?
 
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Not true at all. Companies market products exclusively to some athletes/teams/franchises ALL the time not allowing anybody else to use it.

that wasn't true in many olympic sports. The speedo bodysuits had to be available to everyone in 2008. My sponsor-Hoyt archery-didn't bring out its newest bow before the olympics because it couldn't get them to every competitor who wanted one-same withe EASTON's new arrows. 126/128 archers used the EASTON X10. Two archers chose to use the Asian made CX NANO (including Michele Frangilli of Italy who shot the winning 10 on his last arrow to beat the USA for Gold by one point).

All the table tennis players used ITTF approved rubber sheets which are thus available to anyone

I am unaware of any stuff that was exclusively available to only one country in the olympic sports I am quite familiar with (Skeet, table tennis, Tennis, trap, and archery)
 
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The Europeans ruled him innocent,

No they never caught him.. big difference. He is an American athlete hence it is his national organisation (USADA) who has to most of the testing. Lance Armstrong only got tested during his racing in Europe, and often he did not figure in the top of the race, so hence a random check would be required. Now in the races he went to win, he of course came clean because he knew he was going to be tested.

Add to that, the $$$$$ value of having Armstrong in your race and the suspicion that anti-doping organisations in the countries involved might have been a bit lax.. well.

but the USADA has an axe to grind, and I wonder why?

They dont have an axe to grind.. they have a reputation to fix. Marion Jones, and the BALCO scandal revealed decades of cheating by US sportsmen and women and the USADA/the system either allowed them or were blind.

I don't believe Lance did it either, but he says he's tired of the strain and stress it is putting on him and his family.

The evidence against him is quite a lot. He is just finding an excuse imo so that he can go around fundraising claiming he was never doped because he was never tested positive. Once he goes through a trial like this, and looses, then he will forever be labled as a cheat and his fundraising ability would collapse.
 
Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

No they never caught him.. big difference. He is an American athlete hence it is his national organisation (USADA) who has to most of the testing. Lance Armstrong only got tested during his racing in Europe, and often he did not figure in the top of the race, so hence a random check would be required. Now in the races he went to win, he of course came clean because he knew he was going to be tested.

Add to that, the $$$$$ value of having Armstrong in your race and the suspicion that anti-doping organisations in the countries involved might have been a bit lax.. well.



They dont have an axe to grind.. they have a reputation to fix. Marion Jones, and the BALCO scandal revealed decades of cheating by US sportsmen and women and the USADA/the system either allowed them or were blind.



The evidence against him is quite a lot. He is just finding an excuse imo so that he can go around fundraising claiming he was never doped because he was never tested positive. Once he goes through a trial like this, and looses, then he will forever be labled as a cheat and his fundraising ability would collapse.

the head of the USADA was scorched by the district judge who dismissed Armstrong's suit on jurisdictional issues. It appears that the clown running USADA has a personal vendetta.

and Lots of Euros blast Armstrong because they didn't like him beating them in a sport they thought they owned.

as to former teammates who wanted to testify against him-hard to say if they were being truthful.
 
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