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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    So Lance is stripped of his wins and whoever came in second gets the win instead. 90% of the time that will be an admitted doper who paid a fine to beat the rap. Lance never tested positive for drugs.
    The Europeans ruled him innocent, but the USADA has an axe to grind, and I wonder why? I don't believe Lance did it either, but he says he's tired of the strain and stress it is putting on him and his family.

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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    HE actually did, but not in competition.

    They do hold onto samples for a few years and often go back and retest when the technology catches up to the cheaters. After the fact, 2 of Armstrong's samples came up positive.

    The "he/she never test positive" argument means diddly squat. Marion Jones never tested positive and she was doped up to the gills. She got caught another way. The cheaters are always ahead of the testers, unfortunately.
    First I have heard of that, do you have some source for it?

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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Not true at all. Companies market products exclusively to some athletes/teams/franchises ALL the time not allowing anybody else to use it.
    that wasn't true in many olympic sports. The speedo bodysuits had to be available to everyone in 2008. My sponsor-Hoyt archery-didn't bring out its newest bow before the olympics because it couldn't get them to every competitor who wanted one-same withe EASTON's new arrows. 126/128 archers used the EASTON X10. Two archers chose to use the Asian made CX NANO (including Michele Frangilli of Italy who shot the winning 10 on his last arrow to beat the USA for Gold by one point).

    All the table tennis players used ITTF approved rubber sheets which are thus available to anyone

    I am unaware of any stuff that was exclusively available to only one country in the olympic sports I am quite familiar with (Skeet, table tennis, Tennis, trap, and archery)

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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    The Europeans ruled him innocent,
    No they never caught him.. big difference. He is an American athlete hence it is his national organisation (USADA) who has to most of the testing. Lance Armstrong only got tested during his racing in Europe, and often he did not figure in the top of the race, so hence a random check would be required. Now in the races he went to win, he of course came clean because he knew he was going to be tested.

    Add to that, the $$$$$ value of having Armstrong in your race and the suspicion that anti-doping organisations in the countries involved might have been a bit lax.. well.

    but the USADA has an axe to grind, and I wonder why?
    They dont have an axe to grind.. they have a reputation to fix. Marion Jones, and the BALCO scandal revealed decades of cheating by US sportsmen and women and the USADA/the system either allowed them or were blind.

    I don't believe Lance did it either, but he says he's tired of the strain and stress it is putting on him and his family.
    The evidence against him is quite a lot. He is just finding an excuse imo so that he can go around fundraising claiming he was never doped because he was never tested positive. Once he goes through a trial like this, and looses, then he will forever be labled as a cheat and his fundraising ability would collapse.
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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No they never caught him.. big difference. He is an American athlete hence it is his national organisation (USADA) who has to most of the testing. Lance Armstrong only got tested during his racing in Europe, and often he did not figure in the top of the race, so hence a random check would be required. Now in the races he went to win, he of course came clean because he knew he was going to be tested.

    Add to that, the $$$$$ value of having Armstrong in your race and the suspicion that anti-doping organisations in the countries involved might have been a bit lax.. well.



    They dont have an axe to grind.. they have a reputation to fix. Marion Jones, and the BALCO scandal revealed decades of cheating by US sportsmen and women and the USADA/the system either allowed them or were blind.



    The evidence against him is quite a lot. He is just finding an excuse imo so that he can go around fundraising claiming he was never doped because he was never tested positive. Once he goes through a trial like this, and looses, then he will forever be labled as a cheat and his fundraising ability would collapse.
    the head of the USADA was scorched by the district judge who dismissed Armstrong's suit on jurisdictional issues. It appears that the clown running USADA has a personal vendetta.

    and Lots of Euros blast Armstrong because they didn't like him beating them in a sport they thought they owned.

    as to former teammates who wanted to testify against him-hard to say if they were being truthful.

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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the head of the USADA was scorched by the district judge who dismissed Armstrong's suit on jurisdictional issues. It appears that the clown running USADA has a personal vendetta.
    Welll..

    and Lots of Euros blast Armstrong because they didn't like him beating them in a sport they thought they owned.
    Bull****.. that is the excuse Armstrong and his posse used time and time again to deflect doping accusations. It is actually quite typical American deflection tactic. Marion Jones used the same one.

    as to former teammates who wanted to testify against him-hard to say if they were being truthful.
    What on earth would they have to gain from outing him? Most of them were cheats themselves, which in it self is quite damaging to Armstrong. You cant tell me that with all the former team mates getting busted for doping that Armstrong was the only one on the team that was not doped... this was systematic doping. He was their leader and their dealer.
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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Welll..



    Bull****.. that is the excuse Armstrong and his posse used time and time again to deflect doping accusations. It is actually quite typical American deflection tactic. Marion Jones used the same one.



    What on earth would they have to gain from outing him? Most of them were cheats themselves, which in it self is quite damaging to Armstrong. You cant tell me that with all the former team mates getting busted for doping that Armstrong was the only one on the team that was not doped... this was systematic doping. He was their leader and their dealer.

    cycling is incredibly corrupt-like Olympic boxing was back in the cold war days except it was the judges who were crooked. The best argument against Armstrong was his winning percentages against others who clearly were cheaters.

    Its like Poker-if you constantly beat people who are marking cards etc, its almost a guarantee you are better at cheating than they are.

    I don't have much use for people who got caught trying to take down someone who didn't. IT just smacks of sour grapes.

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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    cycling is incredibly corrupt-like Olympic boxing was back in the cold war days except it was the judges who were crooked. The best argument against Armstrong was his winning percentages against others who clearly were cheaters.

    Its like Poker-if you constantly beat people who are marking cards etc, its almost a guarantee you are better at cheating than they are.

    I don't have much use for people who got caught trying to take down someone who didn't. IT just smacks of sour grapes.
    Not all of them were dopers. Otherwise the gaps in the general classification would have been much closer. The concept that "all cyclists dope" is ludicrous.
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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

    Either Lance was very good at beating the testing, the testing is/was seriously flawed, or he is/was clean as he claims.

    Personnally, how could anyone fool all of the tests he had to take?

    He is still the winner in my book.

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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    This is just such a shame. I don't know what evidence they have, but apparently Armstrong has stopped fighting it. I think it's fair, though. What about the guys who tried and tried to compete with him? It's not fair to them.
    I want so much to believe that Armstrong didn't cheat. Cheating is what it is. I'm not sure whether the jig is up or if Armstrong's been persecuted or what, but when I read his official statement, I found it compelling: Lance Armstrong issues statement over USADA doping charges - The Washington Post

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